Piety on Nexus weapon

[Limonia]

Hi!

Does someone know how much Piety you have to put on a healer weapon to get + 1 point on your Nexus?

Most people say (guess xD) it's about 22 or 23 points you need, but I saw a SCH weapon with these attributes:
Piety 21, Determination 25, Spell Speed 31 (no Crit but whatever)

Total would be 77, which means + 2 attribute points as Novus always has 75.
As Determination only gets a bonus when it's been at 31 or so, and Spell Speed / Critical Hit Rate gets their bonuses at about ~20 and ~40 (don't know), does that mean Piety gets its bonus point already at 20 points?

If you have a Novus weapon with, for example, Determination 31, Piety 20, Spell Speed 24 OR Crit 24, would you get 1 extra point for each attribute?
And if you had a Novus with Piety 33 and Critical Hit Rate 42, would you get + 4 on your Nexus?

I'm asking this because I read that when you have 3 stats instead of 2 on your Novus you can't get + 3 on your Nexus. Just want to make that sure because no one really seems to know that, at least I couldn't really find anything about it.

Thanks. ^^

[NRhodes]

Personally, I'm not sure why anyone would put Spell Speed on SCH gear. Spell Speed is such a useless stat, really even for WHMs.

I did a +33 Crit, +23 Det, and +19 Pie build on my Novus and only ended up with +1 to each.

It really all depends on how you heal and what you feel you need more. Pie + Det or Crit + Det are really the only two builds you should worry about. Also, my Nexus, while the Crit/Pie on the HA Grimoire of Healing is slightly higher, the loss in Det for 1% more Crit is negligible and really just makes the current Nexus that much better.

[SeraviEdalborez]

44cap (Acc Crit Speed Parry): +1 at 22 and 44
31cap (Det): +1 at 31
33cap(PIE): +1 at 15 and 30, or 16 and 32 (unverified, probably the latter)

[Hollowed]

Spell Speed is such a useless stat, even for WHMs.

Blasphemy! SS is awesome for WHM, my spells are almost on a 2 second cast time, that half second helps make up the lag and has been the difference between a dead tank and healthy one!

Note: SS also is a straight buff to PoM, more SS = stronger PoM, food for thought.

[Grotesque]

Piety and SS as much as I can as WHM. Heals are strong enough by themselves, no need to push them that little by Det.

[Limonia]

I did a +33 Crit, +23 Det, and +19 Pie build on my Novus and only ended up with +1 to each.

I thought Determination only rises when it's capped, at 31.

And it's not that I wanted the same stats as in the example. xD I only wanted to ask because I couldn't find the amount of points you have to put into Piety for +1. I had read it only rises when it's capped.
But it'd be great if it really already rises at 15 oder 16. ^^

And I like Spell Speed and Determination.
Determination is great, with worse gear but more Determination I healed the same amount I heal now, even though I was a few ilvls lower.
It depends on how you play and what you like. Some people like Critical Hit Rate, some like Piety and so on.

Thanks for your answers. ^^

[NRhodes]

Blasphemy! SS is awesome for WHM, my spells are almost on a 2 second cast time, that half second helps make up the lag and has been the difference between a dead tank and healthy one!

Note: SS also is a straight buff to PoM, more SS = stronger PoM, food for thought.

Lol don't go getting bent out of shape please. Is it more useful on a WHM than SCH? Sure. But the weight of the stat is so horrendously bad, that stacking it specifically is a waste. You're naturally as a WHM going to get SPS with your gear, since by most standards, you'll be avoiding Crit gear as much as possible.

Also SCH don't need SPS, seriously. Our longest cast is 2.5 secs on Succor, which tbh, is seldom used. Most cases, Succor (since the actual heal is meh), is used purely for raid wide damage mitigation (i.e. T9 megaflares, T8 defense tower explosions, etc.). Let your WHM raid heal unless you're solo healing and/or with another SCH.

Also @ Limonia - You may be right. I just sort of glanced over, wasn't really too worried about the increase in stats, because honestly...the more Gil you spent, the better increase you got - which, to me is whatever. Am I a little salty about it? Sure. But even with my current stats on my Nexus, it far exceeds the HA Grimoire for what I want for my build, so I'm satisfied.

[Cynfael]

Some WHMs like their SS because they think it feels better, but it's still a poor stat to focus on for any caster aside from BLM. The benefit for the investment is minimal for a class that isn't perpetually casting on cooldown.

[Artiste]

Spell speed is not that bad, like I was talking about on another thread, was makign a deep comparaison of all stats a whm can get.

There is, in my head, 3 good choises as WHM about stats :

Full piety and as much deter possible you can get (most whm does this, no ?)
Full Piety + as much SS you can get
OR, Full SS + as much piety you can get

There is some that are doing a mix, I dont think it's a good idea, with not enough SS, you feel no difference, it's not that bad, becoz everything can work as WHM, but...

I choised myself full piety + max SS I can get (have also the invers in case)

I already explained the reasons of this choise, on the other thread, i'll just say : We (WHM) dont put shields like scholar, we already overheal a lot, the only good thing abbout deter, it for the skills that doesn't overheal easly or it's not a problem if it overheal a little : Medica, Medica 2, regen (I prefer overheal a little the tank, more safe)

[Cynfael]

While I respect your character-building preferences, I still prefer DET/PIE/CRIT for WHM. Some SS comes with the gear, but beyond that I don't make it a focus. I'll always take the option to heal and DPS for more rather than not.

The main difference between my SCH and WHM build strats is that I sub out CRIT-focused gear for DET for WHM where appropriate, and I don't mind having higher PIE. If people are going to die, it's usually because they made an unrecoverable mistake or were taking damage at a rate that couldn't be countered by anything short of Lustrate spam or a Benediction, not because the WHM healing .15 seconds faster would have made the difference.