People kicking new players for watching cs's.....just stupid.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

While I agree that having to skip cutscenes is annoying, it's also rude NOT to skip them when the majority of the party wants you to.

Some people here are asking "Why don't YOU use PF to setup a party where cutscenes are skipped?" - well, here's why: the majority of players, in any given group, prefer to skip / are skipping, since the majority of players are not first-timers.
This is all the reason you guys need - majority wins, and this is also why kicking people actuall works.

Get over it and watch them at the inn - you are not more entitled than players who want to run content quickly.

[Kaelah]

Get over it and watch them at the inn - you are not more entitled than players who want to run content quickly.

I'm sorry but that comment is silly. You can flip it, what makes players more entitled to run content quickly than those who want to watch cutscenes? It totally ruins the mood the first time you run something to skip it all, then watch it at the inn. If you play for story then you don't want that. Everyone is an entitled to play how they want as much as anyone else.

People need to learn if you want to play a certain way PF is your best bet, there will always be conflict of interest in DF groups.

Because of the mythology bonus for doing the daily roulette. There's generally no other reason someone would be doing either of the two stories dungeons after clearing them the first time. If someone does them just for fun they're a rarity.

Regarding the roulette comment. I thought the entire point of the daily roulette was to get more people to redo older dungeons to help with queues for new players. Do your roulette, let the new people watch their cutscenes. Then if you wanna farm some quick runs start a PF.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

I'm sorry but that comment is silly. You can flip it, what makes players more entitled to run content quickly than those who want to watch cutscenes?

Did you even read the entirety of my reply?

I said that the majority decides. If 7 people are skipping YOU are the odd one, not them. You are not suddenly more important than other 7 people just because you feel that cutscenes are sacred.
Democracy, man. I know, I don't like it either, but it's how the world works (mostly).

[Kaelah]

Did you even read the entirety of my reply?

I said that the majority decides. If 7 people are skipping YOU are the odd one, not them. You are not suddenly more important than other 7 people just because you feel that cutscenes are sacred.
Democracy, man. I know, I don't like it either, but it's how the world works (mostly).

Even if the other 7 don't want to watch that doesn't make their wants above that of the last player. If those 7 want speedruns they can make a PF for it. Some people play for story. Like someone said the devs have said kicking for watching cutscenes if it wasn't a PF requirement not to is a reportable offence. Nuff said.

[ElHeggunte]

I thought the entire point of the daily roulette was to get more people to redo older dungeons to help with queues for new players. Do your roulette, let the new people watch their cutscenes.

It is. The bonus is to entice return players into the queue so new players don't spend days waiting for a run. However, while it's common courtesy to let new players watch cutscenes, the group is by no means obligated to accommodate them, bonus myth or no. The bonus (and the new player bonus for that matter) is for clearing the dungeon. The system doesn't really care who gets to watch what cutscenes, who gets to participate in the fights, or how long the run takes just so long as the final boss dies before time runs out.

That doesn't excuse being rude, but the bonus also doesn't automatically mean that everyone else has to bend to the will of the new player.

Even if the other 7 don't want to watch that doesn't make their wants above that of the last player.

But it does, and it goes both ways. If most of the party wants to sit and watch cutscenes, those opposed don't have much choice in the matter but to wait if enough of the party is missing. If most of the party wants to skip cutscenes and speed run, the people who want to watch have little recourse other than to skip and at least join the fights or stay behind and watch, missing just about everything save for Ultima.

[IndigoHawk]

I said that the majority decides. If 7 people are skipping YOU are the odd one, not them. You are not suddenly more important than other 7 people just because you feel that cutscenes are sacred.
Democracy, man. I know, I don't like it either, but it's how the world works (mostly).

Learn what democracy is. In modern democracy, the rights of everyone are protected.
The majority only rules in matters that do not infringe rights.

Let's say there are 7 vets who want to speedrun, take the bonus, but treat noobs like trash. The majority is trying to infringe on the right to experience content for the first time, so they don't rule.

Some will argue the vets have a right to speedrun.
They can do that with PF.

Some will argue vets have the right to speedrun and get a myth bonus.
The bonus is a reward for helping people, not a right.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

Learn what democracy is. In modern democracy, the rights of everyone are protected.
The majority only rules in matters that do not infringe rights.

Let's say there are 7 vets who want to speedrun, take the bonus, but treat noobs like trash. The majority is trying to infringe on the right to experience content for the first time, so they don't rule.

Some will argue the vets have a right to speedrun.
They can do that with PF.

Some will argue vets have the right to speedrun and get a myth bonus.
The bonus is a reward for helping people, not a right.

Whatever. My democracy comment was just a tongue-in-cheek thing. The heart of the matter is that you will not be kicked unless most of the players vote for it. That means, YOU are the one who is out of place, not them. It's that simple.

You do realize that you stating to use the PF for a specific method also means use the party finder if you want to skip all the cut-scenes also right?

And again, it's a matter of what the majority of people wishes to do. There is no need to create a PF for something that is ALREADY the norm (i.e., skipping cutscenes). Duty Finder already naturally caters to what's more common. The UNCOMMON thing is not skipping - thus, dedicated PF entries should be made for this.

[Granyala]

Whatever. My democracy comment was just a tongue-in-cheek thing. The heart of the matter is that you will not be kicked unless most of the players vote for it. That means, YOU are the one who is out of place, not them. It's that simple.

Wrong.
95% of all people just click "yes" when a votekick appears w/o even checking if the reason is bull or anything.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

Wrong.
95% of all people just click "yes" when a votekick appears w/o even checking if the reason is bull or anything.

How is that an argument? It's still a vote. It's not a fault of the person initiating it.

And besides, no one ever stated that democracy rewards proper awareness :P