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[Ceveth]

I've started to notice quite a bit of BLMs with this on their Novus. I went for a cheaper, more balanced Novus of 21 crit 21 det and 33 ss. Is it really worth remelding the extra SS/Det you think? I'm not too active in coil :S

Well, as you can see here. That it's a 1.2~ DPS increase & requires you to use expensive 3* food.

This a choice you should make yourself, as it is not vastly superior by any means, which is why I'm assuming Puro has not updated his spreadsheet.

You should also note melding a small bit of accuracy as proposed by the alternative melds affords you a little wiggle room going forward where we expect to see accuracy needs increase.

[Numenor1379]

The only thing I'm irritated about is how bonus stats are allocated when going to Nexus. The fact that we have to have a certain number of off stats in w/e category before the bonus stat is given is BS. As it is my Nexus will only have 77 substats on it (not the 78 it should) and it will end up at +46 SSPD/ +23 DET / +8 PIE because I don't have 30 DET on it. -_-

No I'm not spending 750k per DET IV to remeld the thing either.

[Ceveth]

Another update for you Puro, since Ariyala has updated her calculator to include editable Nexus weapons;

T6&7 Accuracy, 450
Spreadsheet Nexus; 32 DET & 46 SSPD
448 - http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/NYHP
http://puu.sh/bWhO4/b90bbd370f.png

Proposed Nexus; 21 ACC, 11 DET & 46 SSPD
449 - http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/NYHH
http://puu.sh/bWhL0/879a6d3804.png

T8&9 Accuracy, 470
Spreadsheet Nexus; 32 DET & 46 SSPD
445 - http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/NYHK
http://puu.sh/bWhqA/abc5348bfd.png

Proposed Nexus; 21 ACC, 11 DET & 46 SSPD
445.9 - http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/NYHM
http://puu.sh/bWhAq/e8837cbd67.png

In all Coil-related cases the Proposed Nexus beats the current one listed on the spreadsheet, along with having the added advantage of allowing you more Accuracy going forward.
So if you could update the spreadsheet that would be great.


It should be noted that Ellisish had provided some insight on the 0 Accuracy Nexus;

As for the benefits for a 0 accuracy Nexus? I'd say it's the everyday BLM staff. The accuracy one is slightly stronger, and a bit cheaper for melding.
But, it does require upkeep of Sachetorte in coil, which isn't cheap to buy, although being rather cheap to make, at least on my server.
The no accuracy Nexus has benefits for if you're doing things like your Expert Roulette, SB parties (Why? You're done), helping a friend get their relic.
All the little things you love your BLM for when you aren't coiling.

[ShinryuReishiki]

Proposed Nexus; 21 ACC, 11 DET & 46 SSPD

With how the game scales Novus stats into Nexus, this isn't possible. If you had a Novus with 21 ACC, 10 DET, 44 SSPD, then it would become a Nexus with 21 ACC, 10 DET, 46 SSPD.

You don't gain any points in DET unless you're at 31, and I think you would have to hit 22 ACC in order to gain 1 there. 23 ACC, 9 DET, 46 SSPD would be possible if you wanted the full 78 points.

[Ceveth]

With how the game scales Novus stats into Nexus, this isn't possible. If you had a Novus with 21 ACC, 10 DET, 44 SSPD, then it would become a Nexus with 21 ACC, 10 DET, 46 SSPD.

You don't gain any points in DET unless you're at 31, and I think you would have to hit 22 ACC in order to gain 1 there. 23 ACC, 9 DET, 46 SSPD would be possible if you wanted the full 78 points.

I'm not sure that this changes the results in any substantial manner. One DET is not .9-1 DPS.
As you can see in each of the screenshots each point of DET is in the neighborhood of .252 DPS.
Thank you for the correction, it should be passed along to Ariyala.

[Zeny]

This a choice you should make yourself, as it is not vastly superior by any means, which is why I'm assuming Puro has not updated his spreadsheet.

I already use sachertorte (which is actually easier for me to acquire and certainly less expensive than IV Materia!) but I dont know...

The fact that we have to have a certain number of off stats in w/e category before the bonus stat is given is BS. As it is my Nexus will only have 77 substats on it (not the 78 it should) and it will end up at +46 SSPD/ +23 DET / +8 PIE because I don't have 30 DET on it.

This is even more discouraging... I had no idea that's how it worked either. The way my Novus stands now I'd only net +1 to SS. I almost feel like it would be a wasted effort if I didn't at least attempt to reallocate some stats. Having died to bosses that have been down to what seems .25% HP in coil I wonder if that 2dps is really going to mean that much to my static

[Xisin]

I have some anecdotal information here but take it for what it is worth ~

I've recently bought into the new det is > crit thing and have been trying out, what I've found is that by simply removing 30 crit my crit rate takes a 10% nose dive, and it is consistent,, for example I traded 30 crit for about 35 det and on turn 8 my average dps took a 20 point hit (from 470-496 to as low as 440 to upwards of 466) I've tested this set over the course of multiple weeks now and can't really agree that the removal of crit in favor of det is worth it, atleast up to a certain number (just eyeballing it seems 520ish is the happy number) the tests took place in an identical set up except the gear, the exception is i had less foe uptime on one of the crit parses, which in that case the det shouldve parsed better anyway. to let you know the sample size is 4 weeks worth so 8 runs as i run it 2x a week with identically geared blms (my fc has an alt policy which allows us to double clear)

Anyway just throwing this out here, I'll be returning back to a crit oritented set up as long as the crit produces a 20~% rate as opposed to the 13~% rate that the det set produces.

[Sleigh]

I have some anecdotal information here but take it for what it is worth ~

I've recently bought into the new det is > crit thing and have been trying out, what I've found is that by simply removing 30 crit my crit rate takes a 10% nose dive, and it is consistent,, for example I traded 30 crit for about 35 det and on turn 8 my average dps took a 20 point hit (from 470-496 to as low as 440 to upwards of 466) I've tested this set over the course of multiple weeks now and can't really agree that the removal of crit in favor of det is worth it, atleast up to a certain number (just eyeballing it seems 520ish is the happy number) the tests took place in an identical set up except the gear, the exception is i had less foe uptime on one of the crit parses, which in that case the det shouldve parsed better anyway. to let you know the sample size is 4 weeks worth so 8 runs as i run it 2x a week with identically geared blms (my fc has an alt policy which allows us to double clear)

Anyway just throwing this out here, I'll be returning back to a crit oritented set up as long as the crit produces a 20~% rate as opposed to the 13~% rate that the det set produces.

Switched from HA weapon to Nexus with the build 31 DET 43 CHR 1 Piety (Midlander problems). Average DPS in T8 and on dummy went up by about 10, of the two raids I did post-Nexus I've done 495 with a quite average run (NOT a proc fest I assure you) while accidentally getting a damage taken down stack on the boss during Battle Voice Foe's (tower order change after half a year = messy ...), and another run was completely average and I got 480 while doing 3 mines and an extra tower I don't normally do. With HA I had to get quite a lovely run to reach 495. If everything went well I'm pretty sure 510+ would be relatively simple.

So yeah I'm definitely in the DET > all camp.

Dungeon wise my numbers shot through the roof due to how SS is so bad for AoE rotations compared to DET and CHR.

[Numenor1379]

Ummmm... How is spell speed bad for AoE? O_o

[Sleigh]

Not bad per se, just worse than CHR and DET. Generally in AoE encounters, or should I say dungeons, you get a certain amount of actions in a small amount of time, ending in Flares. SS isn't helping this much, you're basically putting out a rotation of actions and then playing by Transpose's limitation or your CDs. CHR is the most useful here (from a practical standpoint, crit Flares = enemies that'll die much faster), and then DET since it's a static increase and enough of it can kill what otherwise might require you to do another Transpose > stuff to finish off the enemy. Also, with enough SS you can't even do the common Flare > Transpose > F3 > F2 > F2 > Flare rotation, you have to purposefully delay F3 which defeats the whole purpose of SS.

The worst part is, SS's benefit is mostly on getting an action you wouldn't have. Generally in such a short amount of time, you're not going to get an extra AoE attack due to how it works MP wise, if you'd compare a SS build to a non-SS build for AoEing, side by side. Both builds will probably end up doing the same amount of actions, but the CHR build will hit that much harder.

tl;dr - Making your whole AoE rotation get cast .5s~ sooner in total is a lot worse than a whole mess of Flare crits.