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  1. #1041
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    ItaruKarin's Avatar
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    I'taru Karin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Defteros View Post
    you should try it with the scholar, too, it's even worse D:
    Ooooh I know, I picked up WHM after getting my SCH to 37 and losing the will to play it. Brayflox without Esuna and with a dumb fairy is just painful, especially when your tank can't tank.
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  2. #1042
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    Ignis Inferne
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    Quote Originally Posted by ItaruKarin View Post
    Ooooh I know, I picked up WHM after getting my SCH to 37 and losing the will to play it. Brayflox without Esuna and with a dumb fairy is just painful, especially when your tank can't tank.
    I've noticed that brayflox is that dungeon with tanks that can't tank, you take a gamble every time you enter, why is that D: it's like the hardest lowbrow dungeon simply because it's designed to kick you into shape for later ones.
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  3. #1043
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    Tocsin Wolndara
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    Jenova
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    Conjurer Lv 60
    Looking from both the perspective of a WHM and a PLD, baby brayflox is a killer when you first hit it. it is around the times that various dps chars start getting legitimate aoe spells, and we just aren't equipped to handle that yet. I haven't seen the warrior version, but whenever I get brayflox, I generally need to give a full 100% of my attention to tanking to keep agro on everything, and even then im ending up using provoke on near cooldown.
    vote harder than AV for pre-50 dungeons.
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  4. #1044
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    A healer horror story that is entirely my fault, yay !

    So I was healing Cutter's Cry for the first time. Everything is going well, I kite the adds around the princess without worries, we atomize the big bad worm... And then we get to Chimera, and that... Wasn't nice.

    I never had any troubles with Chimera as a tank. Not much to do except getting out of aoes and watching out for the odd Ram's voice. But as a healer?... Damn. Try as I may, I seem completely unable to keep everybody's health up (We had an arcanist who decided that moving at all was to tiresome, and ate every Dragon's voice) while looking out for chimera's warning. How do people manage to watch their main screen and the health/status bar at the same time? D:

    Anyway, I ate a dragon's voice first, esuna'd the paralysis just in time to eat a Ram's voice who killed me. No worries, we go again, I'm focused. The entire team gets hit all the time, I don't even have time to look for any of chimera's tells, I stand to close and eat a Ram's voice. I haven't felt so bad and incompetent since my first tanking days, I'm not sure I'll ever want to try and heal again >.>
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    Last edited by ItaruKarin; 10-02-2014 at 04:31 PM.

  5. #1045
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    Sagittarian's Avatar
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    Nesshin'na Kasai
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    Malboro
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    Ah, you forgot the primary rule of healing..

    Quote Originally Posted by ItaruKarin View Post
    We had an arcanist who decided that moving at all was to tiresome, and ate every Dragon's voice) while looking out for chimera's warning.
    When the dps can't dodge, let them die.

    Quote Originally Posted by ItaruKarin View Post
    How do people manage to watch their main screen and the health/status bar at the same time?
    By moving the party list to a more central position on the screen.

    For my own healing horror story for the day .. I had to intentionally let the tank die. It was painful to watch. Hero On The Halfshell guildhest and the tank would not take the turtle to the herbs even though the rest of us were standing next to the herbs, waving, and telling them what to do in party chat. So we let them slowly die then finished it when I had aggro.
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  6. #1046
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    Ignis Inferne
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    Was just in an ifrit HM trial. OT didn't stun anything (you have one job mate) I ended up having to lb3 people because eruptions were going rampant and everyone was getting hit. I told the OT to stun the eruptions and the responce was "that's what you get for being shit" ok...as far as I'm aware the only one being shit was you, yeah I had a stupid run in with charge which resulted in my death but I admitted it was a stupid mistake, I was so flustered with the current situation I didn't notice what ifrit was doing in time to react.

    MT decided to chime in and says "you can't stun with drgs in party" orly? I have, I said he should of, oh I dunno, asked them to stop stunning? Fking rocket science here apparently. He then told me to dodge them as it wasn't hard, yes dodge and heal at the same time with half the party with x4 erupts on them, all the time, yes whatever you say.

    Edit: Life lesson, don't type when in foul mood.
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    Last edited by Ignnis; 10-03-2014 at 04:11 AM.

  7. #1047
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    Saseal Korei
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    Coeurl
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    Astrologian Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by ItaruKarin View Post
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    I have a similar problem with Cutters on the last boss - I end up focusing too much on healing and esuna'ing that I become blind to a portion of the tells. Hell, I once read an OLD message (via chat box) of a tell and ran in -_-.
    Also, from experience, when you have DPS or any other party member that do things like that, it just further distracts you by splitting concentration into 'full time frantic healing of tank + squishies' (rather than 'concentrate on tank and dodging + heal/buff/esuna squishies when it happens') and killing mp on the lazy DPS(es) since they can't take a hit like a tank can (My first reaction is 'Let em' die, they're a liability for the rest of the group'.... but then the need to see full bars gets in the way -.-).

    Don't worry about this - it happens. No such thing as perfection - it's a flawed concept ; p
    Besides, having been in that situation myself (derp players killing concentration/stretching my capabilities thin), I'd say the others not even trying to dodge didn't help
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  8. #1048
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ignnis View Post
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    Thats gotta be bull o.O With the exception that they've had multiple experiences with DPSes stunning needlessly every rotation and raising Ifrit's resistance... and then just finally decided, '---- it, not going to bother any more' (or had been occurring for your party, right then).
    But I've almost always had at least one dragoon in the party for trials (always. and the new Yolo pulls. *Twitch*) and have had the relieving experience of seeing terrible things cancel beneath my feet (moreso lately than a month and a half ago).
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  9. #1049
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    Tiri Thon
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    Goblin
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    Dancer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Ignnis View Post
    Was just in an ifrit HM trial. OT didn't stun anything (you have one job mate) I ended up having to lb3 people because eruptions were going rampant and everyone was getting hit. I told the OT to stun the eruptions and the responce was "that's what you get for being shit" ok...as far as I'm aware the only one being shit was you.

    MT decided to chime in and says "you can't stun with drgs in party" orly? I have, I said he should of, oh I dunno, asked them to stop stunning? Fking rocket science here apparently. He then told me to dodge them as it wasn't hard, yes dodge and heal at the same time with half the party with x4 erupts on them, all the time, yes whatever you say "tank" plz throw away your soul stone and make sure future healers don't have to put up with you.
    While someone stunning eruptions certainly makes the fight laughable, it's still a joke without it. I "heal and dodge at the same time", all the time. If you can't heal Ifrit HM when there's no one stunning eruptions, maybe it's you who should throw away your soul stone. I'm sorry, but it sounds like you were just plain nasty to that tank. If the dps were all getting hit by eruptions is that the tanks fault? HELL no! That's avoidable damage that is easily avoided! It should be obvious to a dps early on in that fight if someone is stunning eruptions. Then they need to adapt if not.
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  10. #1050
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    Probably didn't help that most of the eruptions appeared at my feet and people kept crossing paths with eruptions so we were getting hit with others eruptions.

    But at the same time he could of just asked in chat for them to stop stunning, I've done it a few times and after that everything is smooth sailing. Probably wasn't in a good mood after having to ress people multiple times, sch camping clerics for half of it and dying twice myself (once was my fault, tunnel vision, second time lb froze me in plumes).

    I can heal through eruptions but not as much and with people getting hit left right and centre I couldn't keep up with incoming damage.

    Edit: Word limit and no edit option on the phone (had to use comp). Also making a whole party suffer on the grounds of "because your shit" isn't great team play. Perhaps I was a bit nasty, heat of the moment, I have never had to lb3 Ifrit HM before but I got nasty in return, fair trade I guess?
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    Last edited by Ignnis; 10-03-2014 at 02:56 AM.

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