12 weeks of Coil T6+T7 without my loot dropping.

[Zeille]

"RNG is RNG" - as quoted by all those with stockholm syndrome

Square Enix RNG is not RNG.

Maybe once their programmers figure out how to put actual RNG into this game, you can claim that. Or I dunno, maybe you like seeing "You obtain nothing." 3 times in a row on a 97% chance to succeed or having 8/10 desynths @ 70% blow up. Defending this kind of stuff is getting old.

[scarebearz]

14 kills is statistically nowhere close to a large enough data set to prove anything btw. How many of the weps have you actually seen? Statistically you should have seen 6/9 weapons after 14 runs or 8 repeat weapons of varying types (Could even be 8 extra WHM staves for example). The expected number of runs to see every wep at least once is 26. There hasn't been 26 resets since 2.2 and it took 2 weeks for a group to clear T9 anyways. The odds of not seeing a certain wep 14 times in a row is also irrelevant by the way since you have the same flat 1/9 shot every week.

You seem to like seeing yourself type

My post was never intended to "prove anything", though it does show how poor the current RNG dependant system currently is.

T9 is the hardest turn of 2nd coil, as such gives the best rewards, yet those capable of clearing it early on may never see their weapon before it's redundant, due to the weekly lockouts.

Pure RNG + Lockouts is a poor and dated system, weapon token drop for T9 would have been far more suitable and please more people.

[Ultimatecalibur]

"RNG is RNG" - as quoted by all those with stockholm syndrome

Square Enix RNG is not RNG.

Maybe once their programmers figure out how to put actual RNG into this game, you can claim that. Or I dunno, maybe you like seeing "You obtain nothing." 3 times in a row on a 97% chance to succeed or having 8/10 desynths @ 70% blow up. Defending this kind of stuff is getting old.

People complaining about statistically possible things happening to them is getting old. When there are over a million people doing something 1000 people are likely to see 1/1000 chance events occur. You are not special.

[NyneAlexander]

You are not special.

People constantly using the "you are not special" as a dig is getting the most old.

[Artiste]

People complaining about statistically possible things happening to them is getting old. When there are over a million people doing something 1000 people are likely to see 1/1000 chance events occur. You are not special.

Millions of people doing second coil, everyone know it.

[Dilu_Bakari]

I remember him saying in a live letter before the game was released that they would have a token system but never saw it guess that went out the window just like our "cheaper personal housing"

[Mook_Mook]

high alagan gloves of aiming whats that no idea never dropped from t7 in all the runs we have done

[Ultimatecalibur]

Millions of people doing second coil, everyone know it.

It was a hyperbolic, not literal, example and pointed at her complaints about crafting and desynthesis.

A few weeks ago in a thread similar to this one, I calculated out the likelihood of not getting 4 of the 9 weapons in 14 completions and getting 5 of the same weapon in 14 completions. ~12 in 1000 groups and ~5 in 1000 groups are accepted differently than 1.17% and .54% by most people even though they are the same number expressed differently.

[Artiste]

1.17% or 0.54% isn't that low.

Do you know that, with my team, we got 4 staff in row, if I calculate, the % was something like 0.015%, that's kinda low.
But 0.54% is 1/200, and 200 with the number of players, it's not something hard to get.

Mine is 1/6500, that's kinda low, specially for T9.
But it's still not low enough to not be impossible.

Did someone got same item 5 time in row ? i wonder, must be really realy unlucky. (chance for this are like 1/58 000)

[Xenor]

A token system would work very easily.

Clear Turn 6 and get a drop? No token
Clear turn 6 and get no drop? token given upon exit
Take 4-8 turn 6 tokens or whatever seems applicable to trade for one piece of Turn 6 gear. If you cleared it for 2 months without a single drop you've by all rights earned at least one piece of something you want from it. If you get the drop you wanted sooner, cool you can buy something for an alt job to help your group or a piece of gear to vanity.

Just make each turn have its own token that only buys things dropped from that turn. Put the npc in the intermission map we get dumped into between turns or something. Ancient Allagan Vending machine

I like this idea. But I don't think SE would do it because you'd get ilevel capped after 2-3 months rather than 5-6. It might actually allow you to gear more than one job and SE doesn't want that.