Can you please Ease Up on Atma now?

[Hulan]

I will start off with an apology, I do not have much of an opinion to contribute to this discussion. I have already gotten the one Atma set that I care about, and do not feel strongly one way or the other about it's current or future state.

With that said, I feel strongly that any debate can be made more fruitful by having a better understanding of what the ramifications are of the decisions being made. Below, I have included a table which compares drop rate percents to the half life of a single Atma drop. That is to say, how many FATEs must be completed to have a 50% chance of getting an Atma.

This is a useful measure because it can be applied multiple times. Say, for instance, the drop rate is 2%. If you beat 34 FATEs, you would have a 50% chance of getting an Atma by that time. If you killed 68, you would have a 75% chance, if you killed 102, you would have a 87.5% chance, and so forth.

Based on what I have personally observed, and what I have heard from others, I would place the drop rate somewhere around 3%.

Drop Rate |  Half Life
----------+------------
  0.5%    |        139
   1%     |         69
   2%     |         34
   3%     |         23
   4%     |         17
   5%     |         13
   6%     |         11

For those curious, this table was created using an inverse probability function:

1 - (1 - p)^n = H

[Mogi]

Not to be rude but everyone has to put up with it so just deal with it and if you can't get the other i100 wep if they keep making everything to easy then whats the point?

[ZReport]

They'll eventually make it outdated and easy due to the fact that much more content will be available. This is the natural order of how progressive MMOs work. Old content gets outdated by the time theres much more new content to consume.

It's just that no one should expect this until 3.0 at the latest. There's literally no point in them making Atma drops easy now -- people would drop off from playing due to "not having much else to do." Regardless of the people who complain here in forums about Atma drops (small population over all) there are still tons and tons of players who grind daily for said Atma (and relic questing) as one of their sole forms of FFXIV consumption.

My guess on what will happen is one of two things:

1) Atma will be made easy with 3.0 in conjunction with the "end" of the current relic questline with Gerolt (aka 2.X relic quests). Of course there might be a continuation of the questline elsewhere in Ishgard or other expansion areas, but it's outside of the scope of 2.X content.

2) Atma will be made easy with 2.5, 2.55 or 2.58, and an entirely new relic weapon quest will begin with 3.0. This would create two problems -- 1st problem is obvious, people would be very mad that all of their relic questing from 2.X would be invalidated and people would be also mad at the fact that new players to FFXIV would be able to create a stronger weapon with the onset of 3.0.

[Altanas]

I wanted to chuck this in here. I don't really want the flames from creating a theory thread lol
I made some notes when farming atmas and my observations:

1. Getting atma soon after completing an expert roulette?

2. Getting an atma if a FATE crosses the RL hour mark before it finishes

3. Teleporting back to camp in same zone doesnt mean you zone at all or doesn't "reset" any kind of zone affinity

4. When an atma drops if you warp to the zodiac in polarity then that one of the pair will drop rather quickly (I tended to go first drop ages, but then second drop quick). Its not random at bloody all just like housing is affordable. The polarity SE is using seems to match the "sidereal-tropical" system, eg:

http://www.snowcrest.net/sunrise/asid20.jpg

eg saggitarius first, then go get your Capricorn. etc (top to bottom)

I'm talking in definites here because I hate random lol and after 24 atmas (12 in only one week with 4 in one day) spoke volumes to me

[MeeDeggiThePunisher]

Not to be rude but everyone has to put up with it so just deal with it and if you can't get the other i100 wep if they keep making everything to easy then whats the point?

/sigh

For the billionth time, there is nothing hard about spamming FATEs. We don't want to make it easier, we want it to be less mind numbing.

[Lemuria]

Not to be rude but everyone has to put up with it so just deal with it and if you can't get the other i100 wep if they keep making everything to easy then whats the point?

Filed under "posts that completely miss the entire point of the argument".

[Niota]

if you can't get the other i100 wep if they keep making everything to easy then whats the point?

Everything gets nerfed at one point. Gear, primals and many other instances will continue to be nerfed as new ilvls and instances are added to the game so that new/casual/whatever players can experience older content.

There are many, many solutions to making atma grind easier to handle, whether they say "get an atma every 100 fates" or w/e that's only the first of the hours++++ and gil needed to reach nexus... which will soon be outshined by the new ilvl/tier of end game.

It would be one thing of atma portion of the relic quest was similar to the animus/novus/nexus because it gives you a set of tasks to accomplish.. you can see progress. Burning all your free time trying to get a rare drop vs completing other content is not fun.

[dark0past]

Been 4 days trying to get my 9th atma but no luck... Over 400+ Fates and no drop ? This is biggest time waster quest ever!

[Shioban]

Been 4 days trying to get my 9th atma but no luck... Over 400+ Fates and no drop ? This is biggest time waster quest ever!

That's why it was added.

The quest was added as an optional weapon to get, and simply something "to do" in the mean-time, or if people felt like getting a weapon similar to raid-tier weapons.

[Apricoth]

Did you guys, those that are wishing the Atma rate to be lightened up on, watch the 14 hour Live FFXIV anniversary celebration at all? I forgot his name but one guy did the Atma challenge. He got all 12 Atmas in 13 hours or so (or was it a little more than that?). If he can do it, you guys can do it. Just do what we have suggested - touch lots of fates (do a bit of damage) and then move on. It can fail and you still have a chance for an Atma drop. It is possible and it can be done. If you are sitting there trying to complete each Fate to the end, you are doing it sooo wrong. I had instances where I joined a group, did one damage spell, ran off and got an Atma from that one I barely touched. Come on people. lol

If any of you are not having fun with this, need to move on to weapons that are less time consuming for you. You do NOT need to have this weapon. Get it out of your heads right now. If you want the weapon, you do the work like the rest of us did and accept the fact that this is indeed a grind fest, unpleasant but is a means to an end. Plain and simple.

With that being said, I love you guys. <3