Why shouldn't someone be allowed to watch the cutscenes on first playthrough?

[Brine_Gildchaff]

Look at it this way, this is not a single player game, every choice we make affects others. If we decided to jump into an extreme mode primal or coil without watching videos, we would die, we would slow down progression and all together ruin the experience for everyone, wasting everyone's time. If people didn't live inside this bubble call "ME ME ME" we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Ladies and gentlemen, irony so thick you could literally stand on it.

[RyujinUzikin]

Ladies and gentlemen, irony so thick you could literally stand on it.

Of course I'm living inside this bubble of me me me when I point out how people's time outweighs the wish to sit and watch something they could watch at any time in their inns.

I'm only thinking of myself here compared to someone who wants to watch cs's, that is a group of 8, I think of 7 and only 1 wants to watch cs's

Of course I'm the one living inside the bubble, OF COURSE!

xD I'm done.

[Kaethra]

Look at it this way, this is not a single player game, every choice we make affects others.

This is why compromise is the way to go. And I'm going to emphasize on this point.

When you join Praetorium or Castrum Meridium. You are joining with 7 other players. Newbies have a right to be there. AND Veterans have a right to be there too. It is NOT for one or the other. Even before roulette it awarded tomestones. So this idea of it being a newbie dungeon only is FALSE. So when you join and whine that others aren't waiting for you. You're infringing on their play just like someone would if they vote kicked you for being 'AFK' when watching. They have every right to engage and kill mobs as they see fit.

Like I said before, if I'm running these dungeons. I see if there is at least one tank who wishes to continue. If there isn't, I wait. I have to. And I'm not going to allow ignorant impatient DPS pull ahead, I'll let them die. I want to run the dungeon quick, but I don't want to run it dumb. So if both tanks are watching I will wait and I will not speed run.

If one tank at least isn't watching, I'll let them continue ahead. We'll duo the dungeon if we need to if the other 6 are watching. And we're not ruining anything by it. One tank and one healer can't dps stuff down that fast. If a few DPS are there with us, yeah we can get to a boss before someone's done. But 9 times out of 10, they get out right as we get to the boss and we will wait for them to get there.

Sorry to say, but no one is missing anything on trash pulls. I'm going to holy spam them down either way, so whether they are present or not means they might get one attack in before the mobs drop. Its really only on Gaius and Ultima that people are missing the start of the fight. But they are placed in the fight when done. And they aren't missing much, espeically on Ultima, where you can't attack it for a few seconds anyway till the Crystal does its thing.

Really what is happening is one side is making a mountain out of a molehill. I'm trying to prevent Vets from booting newbies by compromising, but the vocal side (who doesn't even run the dungeons in question or help newbies on a normal basis) is trying to lump me in with the jerks who do boot newbies. They make the situation worse. I'm trying to make it better and equatable for all.

Do newbies have to give in a little by missing some trash and a few inconsequential boss fights (Colossus, Vanguards, and Reapers)? Sure do.
Do veterans have to give in a little by having the run take about 5-10 minutes longer (first cutscene, and lower DPS over all)? Sure do.

Each side gives a little so each side is happy. That's compromise. And that's how the community fixes a problem it created itself.

SE could fix it for us. Here's what they could do:

Remove Main Scenario Duty from Roulette.

Pros:
Vets don't run and rush them
Mostly everyone will watch the CS's

Cons:
Vets don't run them and the queues rise
Newbies are stuck on that part of the story.
Newbies get bottlenecked out of HM Primals and Relic weapons and other dungeons.

Is that worth it? The solution is the newbies could get LS and FC to help, as well as PF. But can't they do that now? I mean I'd heal or tank (if I had a tank, may soon), for a PF Praetorium Group. There's even an option in PF for watching Cutscenes. So SE has done some stuff to help the situation.

Enforce Cutscene watching. Cannot skip. Or can skip but stopped from acting while someone is still watching.

Pros:
Cutscenes can't be skipped, so newbies can watch them.

Cons:
Newbies are ostracized and booted* with more frequency.

You guys think newbies are treated badly now?
*Remember, "Differences in playstyle is a valid reason for kicking even if it isn't listed." GM's Words, not mine.

SE could redo the Cutscenes in the two instances to just beginning and end.

Pros:
The cutscenes are skipped by vets when it doesn't matter.

Cons:
Story and Cutscenes are changed. Some people like the original.

This one I kinda like. But because they have to redo the cutscenes... I doubt it would happen. And is why I am going for compromise. I'm not holding my breath.

[WellGramarye]

For the last time. Two words solve this issue.


PARTY. FINDER.

[Dhex]

[Kimikryo]

I only get annoyed when someone insists on watching the full opening sequenz of a dungeon when it is just 20 minutes to reset and is one of those people that read through upcoming extremely slow. THAT is no fun. I am ok that you watch a cs, but please don't read so slow I feel like you are slowing us down on purpose.

While I understand why there is this "barrier" before the fight starts until all finish watching the CS, it is annoying if it is 1 out of 7 and the 7 probably could finish at least all the trash towards the first boss while that 1 person enjoys the CS.

I wouldn't vote kick someone that watches CS's, but I'd ask them not to take too long when reading the stuff :|

[TessaJalloh]

There's something to be said for reading slower. You can't appreciate the emotion conveyed in text by skimming. You're unlikely to get a feel for the character or their voices. it's Thematic.

Honestly, i think story mode roulette should enforce cutscene watching. The other roulettes can be run quick and clean, so why ruin the story modes, where the cutscenes are the real content to the duty.

At the end of the day, if you roulette, you shouldn't force anyone to do anything. First timers should watch their scenes, speed runners should just... calm down a little, a few extra minutes won't kill you. But if either wants a guarantee of the other side not 'ruining their fun'. Party finder exists for you both. i dare say it's better as a tool for speedrunners, you can form a full group, and repeat content quickly, no queue times after the initial formation.

[Kaethra]

Honestly, i think story mode roulette should enforce cutscene watching. The other roulettes can be run quick and clean, so why ruin the story modes, where the cutscenes are the real content to the duty.

If its enforced, vets will stop running them.

If Vets stop running them, it will put a barrier to completing the Story Quest akin to the Atma quest. The reason for this is the queue times will raise, especially for new DPS. Do we want to hurt newbies with 4-5h queues?

I don't. I'd rather help them through my suggestion of compromise. Everyone gets to have their cake and eat it too.

[Darki]

If its enforced, vets will stop running them.

If Vets stop running them, it will put a barrier to completing the Story Quest akin to the Atma quest. The reason for this is the queue times will raise, especially for new DPS. Do we want to hurt newbies with 4-5h queues?

I don't. I'd rather help them through my suggestion of compromise. Everyone gets to have their cake and eat it too.

And then both sides will complain about the flavor of cake or will complain about why can't we have pies instead. This subject is Social Justice Warrior bait and will continue to be so long into the future. Oooo! I know let's make a thread about why lalafells or so short and complain about why they should be taller! I demand taller lalafells! Everyone picket in front of the SE building in Tokyo! "No lalafells should be shorter! I'm going to make a forum thread to counter you!" :::Sock puppet fight:::

[TessaJalloh]

If its enforced, vets will stop running them.

If Vets stop running them, it will put a barrier to completing the Story Quest akin to the Atma quest. The reason for this is the queue times will raise, especially for new DPS. Do we want to hurt newbies with 4-5h queues?

I don't. I'd rather help them through my suggestion of compromise. Everyone gets to have their cake and eat it too.

No, if it's enforced, speed runners will stop running them. Don't speak for everyone, i'll still run them quite happily. I hate speed runs.