Goodbye cleric stance.. you will be sorely missed

[Hailie]

I didnt see them come up here and complain that it is game breaking.

I didn't make a *complaint* I made a statement

[Divinemight]

Grudge?

I also simply list all PvE only actions and present a fact that Paladins didnt complain about being guttered. Oh that is right, it is not the job i am playing any way, who cares. (Sacarstic)

You know, if you are really care and find it is unresaonble for Cleric Stance is disabled. You can always voice yourself in open letter. Go ahead and ask him the question. He seems willing to answer all the questions playerbase throwing at him. Raise your concern and it is more productive, you know?

I would rather to see this question being ask instead of that Open PvP one when you should knew majority of FF14 playerbase is heavily PvE.

[Hailie]

Awfully presumptuous of you to assume things about him.

He totally made an assumption because he said this..

That post utterly didn't escape 5 points I have listed, all he did is just make it super long. It's contents lack of insighs, you can find similar posts on WoW Fourm everyday. You like it because you are his target audience and his words are what you are looking for. Your judgement is clouded.

Let me clear up your assumption He has played just about every class in FL and WD he clearly has some insight.
Then you turn right around and say this...

First of all, you are the one being presumpteous of assume he doesn't.

Like I have said before.. you contradict yourself in a lot of your posting, you refuse to accept other peoples opinion if they don't agree with yours

[Hailie]

Grudge?

I also simply list all PvE only actions and present a fact that Paladins didnt complain about being guttered. Oh that is right, it is not the job i am playing any way, who cares. (Sacarstic)

You know, if you are really care and find it is unresaonble for Cleric Stance is disabled. You can always voice yourself in open letter. Go ahead and ask him the question. He seems willing to answer all the questions playerbase throwing at him. Raise your concern and it is more productive, you know?

I would rather to see this question being ask instead of that Open PvP one when you should knew majority of FF14 playerbase is heavily PvE.

I said I didn't agree that they did away with CS in pvp completely... meaning It would have been nice if they had come up with another alternative besides removing it.

[Mutemutt]

That sounds like a complaint to me... I mean, I get that people want to avoid the icky sounding word, complaint, but still...

I'm not mad that they just chose to remove CS altogether either. But, if I were to suggest an alternative, I would say up the cooldown to 3-5 minutes, dismiss and lock access to both fairies, and lock away lustrate while in cleric stance (not really sure about benediction since it's on a 5 min timer anyway). Essentially, if a healer wants to dps, they should give up most of what makes them an effective healer and have a time frame that's realistically punishable by the opponent. Don't really think people would like that though (plus it doesn't really address those full whm parties, though I guess nerf on holy dmg in pvp would be simple enough). I don't know, seems like just removing the move altogether was just a simpler solution to the problem

[Divinemight]

Let me clear up your assumption He has played just about every class in FL and WD he clearly has some insight.
Then you turn right around and say this...

/sigh

I was wondering why you are going all over on me. Oh, right, my comment about Kisada's post. I dont know him so all I can see is based of what he said in his post. This is his first point:

1. If you keep interfering with players and their roles, eventually they will lose trust in you and stop playing those roles.

Where is his proof of actual decline of healers on the Frontline? Is it by the number of people saying that they are quitting healer on this fourm?

Also, who is not vulnerable to class adjustment? What is the reason Blizzard keep throwing hotfixes at World of Warcraft?

SE relies upon misguided complaints from players to make very harsh changes to the PVP environment.

Where is the insight in this? Where is his evidence? Didnt he ingored the fact that lead producer is also playing the Frontline and Yoship has access to the data and he doesnt?

His last point is pretty much ranting about the Frontline strcuture and Wolf Den queue time. Everyone knows that Malestorm got turtled because of high winning ratio in first month. What can i learn from his post?

I said I didn't agree that they did away with CS in pvp completely... meaning It would have been nice if they had come up with another alternative besides removing it.

Do I looks like I am not shocked? What was my original idea? To increase the penalty of healing reduction only. Again, there is open letter, take the opportunity and raise your question there is more progressive. I am interesting in their reason of make it a PvE only action as well.

[Zyphione]

Compile

Very strange you spend many thread saying there is no point talking to Divine but are the only person to tie 2-3 reply toward him/her in row.

If you want Divine to yourself then better to just say, when friendship system come out then maybe both can be happy together on 2 person chocobo. I think real problem in such strong relationship is who is paying for house.

Divine did not make assumption yet of me since I am sure all my posts have been read. Why must all post be on such personal level? Many reveal weakness like they being attacked or disadvantaged by developer as if developer went out of his way to attack you by remove stance.

So far nothing but hypocrites and hypothetical?
Label Divine as cannot accept opinion when in reality all Divine trying to do is explain and give reason why could have been remove and why stance could be seen as overpower. The only reply receive is that Divine force people to conform to personal view?
If this is case then is good thing forum is not meant for anyone but those who enjoy complaining about game and game changes without use of statistic evidence. Can not even accept that Fyce say stance is meant for PvE? Must make unintelligent comment to remove all skill? Very nice to know such information of your personality.

In recent post for stance remove, all the people who want to keep stance say should change the skill or that they read all reply? If read all reply then should know why stance was remove and not change.

I think many take producer for an idiot? I am sure he already consider modifying stance instead of remove, but why did he remove instead of modify? If such question escape you then maybe you have other problem to consider.

I don't know, seems like just removing the move altogether was just a simpler solution to the problem

It was simpler solution because stance can not be change.
Since your 2nd post in this forum? I explain for you if that is fine? Please excuse me if I seem rude by doing this.

Stance seem to be made in such way that it:
- Convert all MND value into INT (absolute)
- Increase total damage by 10% after convert (general)
- Reduce heal by 20% after convert (general)

Most damage and heal skill data will be base on stat formula?
1/4591*(v/x+c)/(5/g+h) +WD value
This is example, where v/x/c/g/h are stat variable and base on weapon damage.

If understanding correct, stance is AB value and do not have selective change before skill is use.. Heal and Damage value become compile collective data set? No individually modified before compile into set data value before conversion occur.
Conversion only change 2 set of value with each other and do not modify.
If skill is truly build this way then modifying is not possible and skill need to be redone entirely, which is why I think was remove. Bar which would affect PVE as there is no real value to modify as conversion and facet of skill is base overall absolute compiled values, they are only switch.

There is no formula for stance? Therefore skill can not be change the way many say it should. So far only PVP change made is removal of ability like AOE slow, so factor removal is possible but not factor modifications? I do not know, only developer know because they have access to mainframe and database file.. and they choose to remove stance.

Because PVP not initially inside of game and was add later, stance have long been proven after to be overpower just by gearwork of skill and how it twist character stat value to turn healer into DPS class without burst factor outside of Ruin II spam. It was not skill meant for PVP and more for leveling or PVE, therefore was remove. Gearwork of skill not meant to be modify, therefore was not modify.

Am I right to say this?
Even if this is dispute, no one will know why was remove then.

[Hollowed]

The reason people flipped out about healers is not that they are OP (though sch did need a little gimp) its the mindset these bad players are in, they think a healer is weak and defenseless on their own so when they go after one and get their butt kicked they flip out cause a "weak" class like a healer shouldn't be able to kill them alone. Its not that healers were zamgOP its the mindset that portion of the community had. Give the fairy cleric stance healing debuff when the master has it on, maybe even remove ruin II from sch during PVP, gimp healer stacking pow problem solved; but SE took the lazy route, when in doubt take it out. P.S. Healer sucks outside a premade pt now, big time, at least WHM does. My main was WHM and I will never come that class to frontlines with the way it is now.

[Gor]

The reason people flipped out about healers is not that they are OP (though sch did need a little gimp) its the mindset these bad players are in, they think a healer is weak and defenseless on their own so when they go after one and get their butt kicked they flip out cause a "weak" class like a healer shouldn't be able to kill them alone.

^ this. the hate is real.

[sammy150105]

So we're just supposed to stand around and spam cure......sounds great!! T_T