ATMA: the worst thing ever made on A Realm Reborn

[Hinoa]

Well I started to farm Atma last week, the first day I got 3 (not bad) The second day I got 5...than everything change, I'm on my 3rd day grinding fate ALL day without a single drop.

I got 5 light groups, all of them got Atma but me and left. I tried to keep positive, listen music, do 5 fates and rest for a bit and back. Of the 693 fates I did. 203 fates is only for 1 atma that never drops (Outer La noscea where 90% of the fate is Boss type.).

A lot of people will say "Well at lest you got 8". Yep I got luck to get these 8, but when I think I'll have to do this AGAIN because BLM and ROGUE, I get really depressed, is like I'm paying the game to do the same shit.

At lest give a buff for it, every fate you make that you don't drop a atma make your chance a bit better only if it's 0,1 per fate would help a bit!
I'm sorry about my eng, it's no my native, and I wish they do something about, don't need to make it easy, but at lest don't make it stressful and boring!

[Squa11_Leonhart]

A better buff would be to increase the atma rate for parties with characters at or below the level for that fate (non-level synched).

[SCUBA_Instr]

Hi Markko,

Atma fates = 5% win probability, or 95% Square Enix House Advantage.

House advantage is the casino profit expressed as a percentage of the player's original bet. Casino games provide a predictable long-term advantage to the casino or the house, at the same time offering the player the possibility of a large short-term payout.

Typical House Adantages:
Las Vegas
Blackjack - from 0.2% to as much as 0.63%
Craps - from 0.02% to 16.67%
Keno 25% to 29%
Slots 3.9% to 15%
Square Enix
Atma - 95%

"We're not betting money!!!"

We're betting game-play time.
We're betting time away from (what is otherwise) enjoyment of the game.

[Squa11_Leonhart]

its lower than 5%.

[SCUBA_Instr]

Hi Squa11_Leonhart,

its lower than 5%.

Yes, I believe you. Having done about 50 atma-fates to get the first atma, the Square Enix House advantage was about 98-99% - horrible odds.

If Square Enix house advantage were adopted in the gaming industry - Las Vegas would become a ghost town.

Question becomes, "Are hundreds of fates ...."
Never mind, I dont even want to ask.

[Teirafon]

At least with Atma you dont have to wait around for certain FATES to show up. I actually didnt mind the Atma quest. But for Animus, I hate having to wait 2-3 hours for certain FATES. I wish they would change that....

[Squa11_Leonhart]

At least with Atma you dont have to wait around for certain FATES to show up. I actually didnt mind the Atma quest. But for Animus, I hate having to wait 2-3 hours for certain FATES. I wish they would change that....

Don't wait then?

These fates spawn rates have been tied into how fast/how many fates are completed in an area, sure it won't be an immediate thing but its no longer hours of waiting.

[EricCartmenez]

These fates spawn rates have been tied into how fast/how many fates are completed in an area, sure it won't be an immediate thing but its no longer hours of waiting.

I seem to remember a post from the dev team or Yoshi regarding that. I smash every fate I can in hopes to make mine pop in a timely fashion, and sometimes I just go do something else and check back later. The map isn't going anywhere. Seems to pass the time more easily, I guess. Still, who wants to fun all the fates in the Sylphlands and then hope your fate doesn't pop and fate squatters beat it before you can get a piece of the pie. Thus, the watched pot of fates like Breaking Dawn (which happens to be one of the ones I have complete for yet another book!).

[CutCreator]

The Atma system is grueling. I'm not going to argue fair. It's no fun, daunting, and has me on the border of quitting. I used to love working from home, but now I'd rather go into the office, and when I do work from home, I still rarely turn this game on, unless it's to chat. It has made me regret the dedication I had into getting all of my classes to 50 and their relic. That shouldn't happen.

It's one of the few things in the game where the reward is completely disproportionate to the effort. it doesn't matter how hard I work, all that matters is a roll. Interesting that these require FATEs while taking control of my own fate from me.

This experience is ruining what up to this point has been a completely awesome playing experience. I hope they realize that this design flaw is completely against the spirit of everything that has gone before. Until now it was if you can't do it, either:

Get Stronger
Get Faster
Get Smarter

Now, its:

Get Lucky

No Thanks.

[iBerserker]

Finally got all of mine a few days ago took me forever again, saving and reserved them for the Ninja Job!