Relic weapons situation post expansion

[Musashidon]

well higher lvls will kill the price of lower tier materia. the only reason tier 4 is so expensive is because it's not guaranteed and a pain to sb (less now then it was).

but with say in expansion we get lvl 60 sbing 49 gear will be super easy because of the lvl gap (10 lvl difference makes sbing faster) plus higher lvl gear meaning prolly guarenteed 4's and chances for 5's and they won't change novus to need t5 materia's.

[Wyrmnus]

People pay a ridiculous amount for Novus because they are uninformed / not aware of just how meaningless secondary stats are.

BLMs can deal 400+ damage per second on T8. The best BLM stats on novus per DMG calculators / testing is 44 spell speed and 31 crit. However, a 25 spell speed, 25 crit, 25 DET weapon will deal a mere 1 less DPS. Do the math. This means the 44 / 31 novus gains a laughable extra second of damage every 6.6 minutes. You get an itch on your face and have to scratch it and you've lost your worthless benefit. Nobody will notice a difference.

I'm sorry - but it's pointless to spend 10-15M gil for a benefit that nobody will ever notice. The 25, 25, 25 novus will cost 300-500k tops.

Mah dude... this post here... just gave me this feeling of relief and sudden encouragement to.. to finish my Bravura Animus. Thank you. Thank you very much. I mean it.

[HumsterMKX]

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Thus - you are looking at aprox. 10 hours per book for a total of 90 hours for all of them. So even if they nerfed the animus step to where you could get the books for free...you're still in for a ridiculous amount of grind. For those complaining about atma - I highly highly doubt you have hit 90 hours (unless you're extremely extremely unlucky). Animus is bad. Where is the animus complaining?

Reason is because ppl can see their progress. The ppl I know whom are doing the latest Nexus now is ok with the grind, because they can see a number to gauge their progress. ATMA = nothing to gauge your progress, it can be the next FATE it can be the next few days.

Imagine this, if you are leveling in an mmo, which does not have a exp bar(Almost all rpgs) or a skill increase indicator(Skyrim, Fallout), will you be frustrated ?

[silentwindfr]

the trouble of the materia is not that bad, it's the number, you need at least 75 materia, that if you don't fail one time.
i really think the solution it's to make materia of higher level give more than 1 point.

[RyuDragnier]

I have a sneaking suspicion that for the expansion, they'll probably have some sort of new relic questline. Where for those of us who already have the ultimate form of the relic from 2.xx will end up trading it in for the highest form of the new relic they can give (say there's a +1 that takes a while to get through grinding, we'll get it instantly by trading in the old maxed out relic), while for the ones who didn't get it, they'll probably have some long drawn-out questline similar to how we got some of the original form of the relics. So if anything, I just foresee them rewarding those of us who got it maxed a higher form faster than everybody else could get possibly.

[Ooshima]

First we well need a 1.0 player to let us know how the relic quest looks like back in the days of 1.X before the server went down, then we can derive what are the possibilities.

[Asael]

First we well need a 1.0 player to let us know how the relic quest looks like back in the days of 1.X before the server went down, then we can derive what are the possibilities.

IIRC, for the relic reborn quest that came out back at 1.22b you had a long series of steps in order to get your relic.

First, you had to get three beastmen's seals from hamlet (which could take weeks to months to get).

Second, obtain 25,000 GC seals to buy a beastmen's book. Though back then GC seals were a lot harder to get than they are now. As they were only obtainable through battle wardens, and doing GC leves and the pay outs were very low (around 50-100 or so seals at a time). Although close to the end of 1.xx Atomos was a thing you and other players could group together to bring down, and if you spent a lot of time doing this you could cap pretty quickly.

Third, you would trade these things to Rowena in Ul'dah for a soiled promissory note that you would trade to a NPC to start your relic quest (yeah, all of this just to freaking start the thing).

Fourth, acquire all of your beastmen currency which you could go out and get or pay multi-millions to obtain.

Fifth, either buy or make your top tier craft able weapon (in my case for a PLD it was the Mailbreaker), and begin working on a double tier IV meld. The thing about melds at this time was if you failed a meld you lost both the item and all the materia it had on it, so it could end up being a massive money pit as high tier materia and darksteel weapons were very expensive.

Sixth, hand over the beastmen currency and the weapon to the quest NPC.

Seventh, running endgame dungeons for key items over and over and over and over and over... well you get the point.

Eighth, turn in the items that you got from the dungeons and get your unfinished [insert relic name here].

Ninth, Spirit bond with your weapon and do your primals (Ifirit Hard and Garuda Hard).

Done.

Now my question is, what does this have to do with deriving the possibilities of how relic weapons should work in the future of 2.x and onward? As 1.xx and 2.xx are different beasts anyways. /shrug

[Roris]

They'll most likely ease up on the grind just like they eased up on it from 1.x, though they also ended up simplifying the quest a bit too much and took out some interesting stuff like Hamlet, the relic levequests, arguably speedruns and the original Ifrit EX.

Currently the main purpose of the relic quest is to keep old content alive for new and returning players. Atma is designed so FATEs will mostly still be populated, after all it was conveniently implemented just as the PS4 version released to push people into low level areas and make it appear like they were always so populated, but that's another thing. Animus is designed to keep dungeons and certain specific FATEs populated. Novus is designed to promote Expert Roulette and SB content which is a big chunk of endgame dungeons and certain open world areas, and finally Nexus encompasses pretty much all endgame content especially trials, though its major flaw is most people are grinding that in premade full parties, so it doesn't really help players new to endgame using the DF.

The expansion's relic quest will most likely keep this same role for whatever new content is released and might also include old content for people going through the 2.0 storylines, they did mention they're considering making old content soloable at one point so we'll have to see how they adapt it.

[whoopeeragon]

atma grinding is the bane of this game and forever will be ppl give up at that cuz of the shit drop rate they have for them plus the weapon dosent even have upgraded stats until you upgrade from atma to next part so basically you get a ilvl 100 weapon with stats from ilvl 90 weapon that makes alot of ppl already quit that along with spending days/weeks just to farm atmas and ppl dont want to do that i quit atma grinding after i had 3 atmas 2 months ago but just over the weekend i forced myself to farm for the last 9 i needed and took me 2 days to get them

Jesus Christ I had to read this at least three times before my eyes could focus. If you want to get a message across, at least use some periods and capitalisation....

[Ooshima]

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Thanks for the info.

To reply to your question, past trends gives us an insight on how future things might play out, which I have effectively used to to predict that the Nexus upgrade is done though "spritbinding", after looking through the lore and reasoning of the past Zodiac questline. I made that prediction on 25th Aug.

As we can see, the relic reborn quest in 1.22 was a huge monster compared to what new players have to do at 2.0. I strongly believe that the same will go for 3.0. There is absolutely no point, nor make any sense to enforce any new player in 3.0 to go through the entire original Zodiac questline which is designed to be a time sink for 2.X series.

I foresee that the whole Zodiac thing will be scraped in 3.0 - to be replaced with a more condensed questline to directly obtain the final form of the weapon, which Yoshida claimed that will bear a different name and a new design.

Given the level of predictability of Yoshida's team, I won't be surprised that you will start out and do some delivery boy job again to find some old junk, grind for a little to obtain some historic text, go kill some monsters, defeat a couple of the new expansions' after-the-new-level-cap bosses and tada you get that relic, just like how 1.22 and 2.0 asks you to.