WHY ARE YOU PLAYING A BARD IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SING?!

[Lazearus]

I out DPS a lot of supposedly high DPS classes constantly as not everyone is geared the same, plays the same or does everything perfect all the time so your comment is pointless and has no relation to reality in game while playing.

In a coil static group, the bard will always have the lowest dps out of all the dps classes since they'll all be pushing dps in coil. If you're outperforming the other dps in coil, it's either:
1) the other dps are not doing their rotations right
2) the other dps are busy with some mechanic (eg T7 giant kiting)
3) you're not singing foe for your spell casters.

[Snugglebutt]

In a coil static group, the bard will always have the lowest dps out of all the dps classes since they'll all be pushing dps in coil. If you're outperforming the other dps in coil, it's either...

As I said, not everything is equal and not everyone is perfect. You cannot use the excuse 'everything being equal' which my comment refers to in regards to the other person I was responding to because it never is, everyone has a different efficiency and ability to use their individual classes and characters. You said it yourself in your own examples people not doing everything right and fact is no-one I have ever come across always does everything right all of the time. To dismiss and not group with someone based on their version of DPS class instead of how good they are at said class will lead to failure more often than the other way around.

[Lazearus]

As I said, not everything is equal and not everyone is perfect. You cannot use the excuse 'everything being equal' which my comment refers to in regards to the other person I was responding to because it never is, everyone has a different efficiency and ability to use their individual classes and characters. You said it yourself in your own examples people not doing everything right and fact is no-one I have ever come across always does everything right all of the time. To dismiss and not group with someone based on their version of DPS class instead of how good they are at said class will lead to failure more often than the other way around.

A perfect case can be achieved in a coil static, but yeah, what you're saying is right as well.I just reread Lux-Rayna's post again and I agree with you that we shouldn't just throw a bard out just because it will be outperformed by other dps classes in a min/max scenario. Bards still produce decent dps, and even more so when they foe in a party having blm/smn.






I would really want to throw away bards who do not sing at Swiftsong/Foe in parties having spellcaster dps though. If there's nothing nearby that would aggro them while their foe is on, it's just plain laziness to not sing it for the smn/blm/holying-whm. For ballad, it's a more iffy case since I regulate my own MP as a whm and won't need it.