"To Improve PvP game balance, the ability Cleric Stance will no longer be usable"

[Geologo]

[...] Now in PvP there won't be any differences between the masters of the Cleric Stance and plain healers.

Yes, and this (up to me) make the healer role really flat.
Also Conjurer/WHM has a lot of skill to help other and survive by itself: Heavy (stone), Repose, Bind, (Virus, eye for Eye).
SCH instead saw his best ability nerfed in PvP, Miasma, that was really useful even for run away.
In my opinion the support that a SCH can give is his DPS, infact it started as DPS class.

Also that SCH that did 100k damage? Yeah he #1 most likely never killed anything. Our full 4 DoT combo does 2k damage on a dummy, without even considering being synched down. Thats 2k damage over 30 seconds SO STRONG.

I explained it today to my brother xD
With DoT u can kill, but they are really useful in 1v1, bucause after 4 cast you did almost all the DPS that you need and you can focus on heal yourself.
But in a group when you cast DoT and spread themwith Bane, probably you won't kill anyone, causa of a Medica II or a Regen that would be casted anyway, ignoring if you have a DoT or not, but in that case the support of Fester is really the big difference between SCH and SMN, becuase the SMN will kill his enemy really fastly if he casted his DoT (I tried with raging strikes + DoTs + Fester + Ruin II + Energy Drain, after Dots the enemy receive really huge damange in really little time amount).

Anyway I'm sorry if I was rude in any post before this, and the fact that this theard (and the other one) became more an individual attack among player it's pretty sad.
Let's try to talk about it in order to find the right thing to do.

In my opinion we should list the problem due to healers (Like haler stacking, turtling, Heal>DPS...),
find which one all of us think that are really umbalanced,
post suggestion to improve balancement whithout hardly modify the nature of the original class/job, but maybe modify the game mechanics.

[Vaeria]

As a brd, me kinda have mixed feelings about this. Never found whms with cleric stance to be a game breaker (personally I find schs considerably more a pain) as, like Yuri said, you can punish their teammates for their dpsing- playfullness ;x Solo ya (probably moreso in WD where ya HAVE to deal with one) but overall I still can't see why Yoshi chose to pick on you guys. Even so, me find the thought of less healers all around to be heavily appealing as it means more sexy death, less-cure-bombed-back-to-life-so-I-can-kill-you-who-doesn't-have-a-healer-assisting-you. In short, to all you wonderful healerz: QUIT YER BITCHIN' BEFORE WE PETITION YOSHI TA TAKE AWAY YER ATTUNEMENT TOO!" *ahem* sorry.

[Avirex92]

So after trying a few pvp games without clericstance on my SCH, gotta say it wasn't horrible. I was still able to 1v1 any dps and win, just took ALOT longer. At first I didn't like that whm had repose fluid aura and all that seems like they had more CC, oh and holy (which I bet will be nerded soon). But even tho whm has all these, we schs do have a balance to their CC, Eos. Eos can freely cast on me while I am getting hit, which is why I place her slightly away from me so she doesn't get hit with any AOEs that are targeted on me.

[Adrian74]

So after trying a few pvp games without clericstance on my SCH, gotta say it wasn't horrible. I was still able to 1v1 any dps and win, just took ALOT longer. At first I didn't like that whm had repose fluid aura and all that seems like they had more CC, oh and holy (which I bet will be nerded soon). But even tho whm has all these, we schs do have a balance to their CC, Eos. Eos can freely cast on me while I am getting hit, which is why I place her slightly away from me so she doesn't get hit with any AOEs that are targeted on me.

And people tend to forget one thing... Against one good player, you as Scholar won't be able to put ALL THE DOT... Because they move all the time behind you while you cast or so and you fail bios II and miasma... Most of the time against them your raw damage is aero + bios and ruin II or energy drain... If that's so overpowered.

Or just that I was a noob my little days as Scholar there... But only could put miasma and bios II sometimes and if taking them under guard, when they got close it was impossible, interruptions + movements... But, ah, yeah, of course, you can heal yourself so you're overpowered!... (We can still can heal ourselves now?! D

[Tarta]

Oh noes! Tarta was about to go back to FFXIV for PVP, but...unable to use Cleric stance...yeah...relying on other players for the dmg...

[Gor]

Even so, me find the thought of less healers all around to be heavily appealing as it means more sexy death, less-cure-bombed-back-to-life-so-I-can-kill-you-who-doesn't-have-a-healer-assisting-you.

you seem to forget ... you will not have a healer assisting you either and you being a brd, a class which dies in 2 seconds, i wouldn't be celebrating too hard. you will be at equal vulnerability. i find it funny that so many people on these forums think these changes only affects their enemy healers and not their own, as if they are somehow exempt or an exception.

[blowfin]

you seem to forget ... you will not have a healer assisting you either and you being a brd, a class which dies in 2 seconds, i wouldn't be celebrating too hard. you will be at equal vulnerability. i find it funny that so many people on these forums think these changes only affects their enemy healers and not their own, as if they are somehow exempt or an exception.

Played some matches last night, everything seemed fine. Really refreshing to have a free flowing game as opposed to the quagmires that were all too common the last time I set foot in FL. You can put down your pitchfork now I think.

[Gor]

Played some matches last night, everything seemed fine. Really refreshing to have a free flowing game as opposed to the quagmires that were all too common the last time I set foot in FL. You can put down your pitchfork now I think.

bro you're on a JP server which doesn't even have the same issues as the NA ones. you're like in here bragging about driving a Jaguar when most of us are on NA servers which is like driving a Pinto.
Come to Primal or Aether and you'll be just as miserable dealing with FL like alot of us. or better yet, go to Chaos, i hear Frontlines has "Flatlined" even worse over there because they have so few servers and possibly a dwindling population as well.

[Klive]

Odd, all this talk how the healer is broken and how healers wont be found in PvP, yet I have yet to play a Frontlines without at least two healers per group since the patch. This Aether Data Center as well.

[Adrian74]

Have not tried PvP since the patch, honestly. Are there healers yet?