FFXIV Dev, and Yoshida-san. Thank you :)

[Riviere]

FFXIV forum logic = you're not allowed to enjoy new content or else you're a white knight and/or an idiot. If you're not miserable while playing a game, you're doing it wrong.

God I love people here ^-^

Yup, is how these people work. I also like how they say that most of the playerbase is raging, when the forums hardly represent 5% of it.

[Mogi]

Im happy with this update my self as well so ty SE

[vientown]

this thread makes me cringe so hard. 'thank you' for what? you pay for this game you know, you pay monthly for services that (whether you like it or not) are not being delivered. it doesn't matter if you're fine without personal housing, it doesn't matter whether or not you think it's okay - yoshida explicitly stated that the housing would be separate and the costs would be lower. i am someone who 'understands hardware' and i realise that this is a logistical nightmare.

let's talk supply and demand, since the big boy OP wants to speak like adults. how many players are there on your servers? how many houses are there available in wards? personal funds can and will scale to meet the size and scope of these houses, there are more free agents than free companies, the bulk of the wards will be bought by individual players.

is that a problem right now? no. is that a problem in 5 years when those people have left the game? yes. that's a massive problem. as you're 'someone who understands hardware' (can't get over that), you must understand that this is a disaster.

the FFXIV server structure is split, instances are reserved and generated on a need basis. i won't talk down to you, and i'll assume you know how FFXI's mog housing worked. what we needed for personal housing was small individual 'plots' that did not really exist on the server side, we didn't need wards, we don't need neighbours. personal housing should not have been equal to free company housing, it should've been instanced based and should've been invitation only. it boggles my mind that the developers thought this was an easier way to implement it.

i just don't know how anyone can find this acceptable, it speaks volumes about their ideas of longevity for the game. 5 years down the line, are we going to have 'ward 72'? surely you understand how impractical this is, to have so many servers reserving these areas, these areas actively existing within the world. yoshida says that they are working on some sort of new architecture that will allow them to endlessly create wards, but i'm not sure how much value we can place in his words.

even from a lore perspective it's very silly. personal housing would've filled a gap in the lore where our free adventurers do not have a place to sleep or relax. the free company housing initiative was clearly put in place for people to capitalise on the influx of new adventurers post-calamity, but it doesn't make a lot of sense that they would allow them to be bought by single adventurers. it also doesn't make a lot of sense that people would live in these massive buildings, designed as halls. they're not mansions, they lack features, they are blank and basic halls.

it's just impractical and unjustifiable, i would like the people who defend this idea to give me one good defense of it.

[Seoulstar]

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I pay for my services and if something makes me happy. It just will, yes Yoshi lied. Yes he should be ashamed. But the way people are behaving right now is doing nothing but making the community look bad. Resign? Really? Overreacting much? It hasn't even been a day and I'm already tired of the children here. Anyone who is being mature suddenly is a "white knight" (really..?) I'm finding it interesting, it's perfectly fine to behave like a child. But if you're being mature and want to be happy..people want to jump at your throat.

[Riviere]

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It's something called GOOD MANNERS. We deal with workers in our daily life, they provide services for us because they're getting paid to do so, but it's good manners to say "Thank you" for their service, at least I do, you probably don't. People can show appreciation too, it may come as a shock to you I know but not everyone considers this game as their only reason to exist in this world.

Now, not everyone cares about housing, and many that do, while they're disappointed by how it worked out they're not raging about it. Do you wanna know why? Because they're acting like ADULTS. Your attitude is that of a spoiled child, throwing a tantrum when something doesn't go your way and you label all those who share a different opinion than yours, call them white knights and the like.

If someone wants to make a thread of appreciation, what harm does it come to you? Does it ruin your hate train? Do you feel threatened by it? If little issues like this, unimportant, are causing this much rage in players, perhaps you should be using your money to seek help instead of playing games, because clearly you lot have severe issues that you should be checking instead of worrying about some make believe house.

I feed on all the rage that I see on the forum and I sincerely hope that every big patch that comes out brings this much rage, it's so satisfying to see how a little game can make so many people feel this miserable.

[Souljacker]

Anyone who is being mature suddenly is a "white knight" (really..?)

No. Anyone who is thanking SE for not delivering and sympathizing with their plight because developing games is oh so hard, is a white knight.

My feelings on this patch are that there's a lot of QoL things they addressed. That's awesome. Housing? Another complete disaster that a large portion of the playerbase cannot participate in. It's another example of something that they really should have held back until it was actually done.

[Meshico]

this thread makes me cringe so hard. 'thank you' for what? you pay for this game you know, you pay monthly for services that (whether you like it or not) are not being delivered. it doesn't matter if you're fine without personal housing, it doesn't matter whether or not you think it's okay - yoshida explicitly stated that the housing would be separate and the costs would be lower. i am someone who 'understands hardware' and i realise that this is a logistical nightmare.

let's talk supply and demand, since the big boy OP wants to speak like adults. how many players are there on your servers? how many houses are there available in wards? personal funds can and will scale to meet the size and scope of these houses, there are more free agents than free companies, the bulk of the wards will be bought by individual players.

is that a problem right now? no. is that a problem in 5 years when those people have left the game? yes. that's a massive problem. as you're 'someone who understands hardware' (can't get over that), you must understand that this is a disaster.

the FFXIV server structure is split, instances are reserved and generated on a need basis. i won't talk down to you, and i'll assume you know how FFXI's mog housing worked. what we needed for personal housing was small individual 'plots' that did not really exist on the server side, we didn't need wards, we don't need neighbours. personal housing should not have been equal to free company housing, it should've been instanced based and should've been invitation only. it boggles my mind that the developers thought this was an easier way to implement it.

i just don't know how anyone can find this acceptable, it speaks volumes about their ideas of longevity for the game. 5 years down the line, are we going to have 'ward 72'? surely you understand how impractical this is, to have so many servers reserving these areas, these areas actively existing within the world. yoshida says that they are working on some sort of new architecture that will allow them to endlessly create wards, but i'm not sure how much value we can place in his words.

even from a lore perspective it's very silly. personal housing would've filled a gap in the lore where our free adventurers do not have a place to sleep or relax. the free company housing initiative was clearly put in place for people to capitalise on the influx of new adventurers post-calamity, but it doesn't make a lot of sense that they would allow them to be bought by single adventurers. it also doesn't make a lot of sense that people would live in these massive buildings, designed as halls. they're not mansions, they lack features, they are blank and basic halls.

it's just impractical and unjustifiable, i would like the people who defend this idea to give me one good defense of it.

Good points, and all that But if your looking for one good defense, this thread kinda already gave one (more than one actually), but you still make good points just a tad off topic, and focusing on something I didn't bring up, but as many have already pointed out...it's good to know that even though you didn't deliver every single thing, you did your best, and still a great patch.

Also I added your comments to the main post, since I liked it

[Seoulstar]

No. Anyone who is thanking SE for not delivering and sympathizing with their plight because developing games is oh so hard, is a white knight.

My feelings on this patch are that there's a lot of QoL things they addressed. That's awesome. Housing? Another complete disaster that a large portion of the playerbase cannot participate in. It's another example of something that they really should have held back until it was actually done.

Well people need to clarify that. Because it truly doesn't look that way.

[vientown]

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this is lovely and all, but i'm not raging. it just doesn't make any sense. i laid out all of the reasons that this doesn't make any sense, and nobody has said anything contrary. you're sorely mistaken if you think i'm angry, but looking at your tone and the way you insolently refer to me as a child...i can see that you are. please try to calm down. you are halting polite discussion.

[Brine_Gildchaff]

you're sorely mistaken if you think i'm angry, but looking at your tone and the way you insolently refer to me as a child...

I like how you call others insolent when you entered this thread in one of the most condescending tones I've seen in a long time, and implied that the OP is a child.

let's talk supply and demand, since the big boy OP wants to speak like adults.

Yeah, I totally can't see why this would make people think you childish.