Shocked at the reduction in mage damage, quadruple mp cost, and lowered resources

[Dubont]

you guys are bullshit if you think every nm in game should take a group. I guess you all never farmed o kotes or leaping boots by yourself. Only high tier nm should require a pt to kill, if a r 50 mage cannot solo a mob that drops a r 25 wep then there is a problem. I just cant wait for all the dumb ass DD to start dieing because we only have 1 class that can heal and its spells cost so much. I bet they didn't adjust the aoes of mobs at all which will be fun for conjs. Eventually people who have NEVER even touched a mage class will learn because they have to spend all their time looking for a conj to do anything, and because they will always be dead from eating aoes and not being conscience of the mages in pt..

the NMs you are talking about in FFXI were no higher than around level 20... the ones in FFXIV are now lower than around level 40....so yes, every nm in FFXIV atm should require a group. Once lower level ones are introduced, you will be able to solo them.

[MerkinValefor]

the NMs you are talking about in FFXI were no higher than around level 20... the ones in FFXIV are now lower than around level 40....so yes, every nm in FFXIV atm should require a group. Once lower level ones are introduced, you will be able to solo them.

Dude these ARE the low level nms... that was the whole idea when they were implemented. Now you cant even duo them at the levels that are required to equip the piece.

[Dubont]

Dude these ARE the low level nms... that was the whole idea when they were implemented. Now you cant even duo them at the levels that are required to equip the piece.

read, again, what I said. Those NMs are no lower than level 40. You're supposed to group up to kill them. Do you not remember, in FFXI, that sometimes mobs that even level 75's couldn't solo would drop gear for level 50's?

[MerkinValefor]

read, again, what I said. Those NMs are no lower than level 40. You're supposed to group up to kill them. Do you not remember, in FFXI, that sometimes mobs that even level 75's couldn't solo would drop gear for level 50's?

Still doesnt change the fact that lower levels will have a much lower chance of getting their gear now because a mob that could be duoed by 2 lvl 35 will now be almost impossible or take much longer. And most of those level 50 items would be so superior stated that the use would extend to 75, you were never supposed to have some of those pieces on your first job that hit lvl 50, pieces like okotes you would get near the appropriate level and wear for a while but a speed belt was something you got after you had your first 75 not the same thing. These are the lowest nms in the game and were made for players 25+ (25 on the lower weapons). These new mp costs makes a large portion of low ranking players unable to get their piece. I personally dont care i have enough to make a group and kill the stuff, but shutting off a portion of your game to lower ranking players is not a good idea.

[Dubont]

Still doesnt change the fact that lower levels will have a much lower chance of getting their gear now because a mob that could be duoed by 2 lvl 35 will now be almost impossible or take much longer. And most of those level 50 items would be so superior stated that the use would extend to 75, you were never supposed to have some of those pieces on your first job that hit lvl 50, pieces like okotes you would get near the appropriate level and wear for a while but a speed belt was something you got after you had your first 75 not the same thing. These are the lowest nms in the game and were made for players 25+ (25 on the lower weapons). These new mp costs makes a large portion of low ranking players unable to get their piece. I personally dont care i have enough to make a group and kill the stuff, but shutting off a portion of your game to lower ranking players is not a good idea.

the point of NMs is to require good party play by persons around that level. For those 50gear nms that the 75 players couldn't solo, 3 50s could trio it. So, maybe, JUST MAYBE, instead of being anti-social and trying to solo everything in a MASSIVE MULTIPLAYER ONLINE GAME, you should try making a party of say...5-8 players and going after the gear that you want. This game is getting away from being completely soloable and I love it for that. A Final Fantasy MMORPG should never be soloable. Why? 1) It's a MMORPG 2) It's a Final Fantasy and there has been absolutely 0 FF games where you didn't have a party =)

[MerkinValefor]

]the point of NMs is to require good party play by persons around that level.[/B] For those 50gear nms that the 75 players couldn't solo, 3 50s could trio it. So, maybe, JUST MAYBE, instead of being anti-social and trying to solo everything in a MASSIVE MULTIPLAYER ONLINE GAME, you should try making a party of say...5-8 players and going after the gear that you want. This game is getting away from being completely soloable and I love it for that. A Final Fantasy MMORPG should never be soloable. Why? 1) It's a MMORPG 2) It's a Final Fantasy and there has been absolutely 0 FF games where you didn't have a party =)

There is our problem, i would argue that nms are there to offer a way for a player to obtain a rare item that would not be obtainable any other way. Sure some nms should require a group thats why i love ff, i played xi for years so dont go on some bullshit rant about this is a MMO play with people. I love grouping but not all nms should take 5-8 ppl especially since the community is so shit right now. If you only think nms are there to provide a target for pts to kill then why give a item drop? Shouldn't the fun of killing the nm with a group be the reward? If you just want to group to fight o get some 50s and kill 75 drakes, takes a lot of party play and are much more difficult than any nm in game. Nms are to get gear not just force party play.

[Dubont]

There is our problem, i would argue that nms are there to offer a way for a player to obtain a rare item that would not be obtainable any other way. Sure some nms should require a group thats why i love ff, i played xi for years so dont go on some bullshit rant about this is a MMO play with people. I love grouping but not all nms should take 5-8 ppl especially since the community is so shit right now. If you only think nms are there to provide a target for pts to kill then why give a item drop? Shouldn't the fun of killing the nm with a group be the reward? If you just want to group to fight o get some 50s and kill 75 drakes, takes a lot of party play and are much more difficult than any nm in game. Nms are to get gear not just force party play.

you aren't forced to use a party because you aren't forced to fight that NM. You can level more and kill that NM. If you want OP gear at an early level, you shouldn't be able to solo it. The little sheep that drops the CON body is what..level 43? You shouldn't be able to solo it at level 30. You can (could) trio it at level 35. NMs are working as intended, just like in EVERY OTHER GAME. In WoW, a level 10 NM took quite a bit of skill to kill at level 15 for me and that was with quite a bit of luck, some zoning and a lot of health popping. Lower level NMs will be introduced eventually. You HAVE to keep in mind that the "low level" NMs that you keep referring to are actually, according to SE, MID-TIER NMs.

tl;dr: All games have NMs like this. stop the senseless QQ.

[MerkinValefor]

read, again, what I said. Those NMs are no lower than level 40. You're supposed to group up to kill them. Do you not remember, in FFXI, that sometimes mobs that even level 75's couldn't solo would drop gear for level 50's?

lol if you think those nms are difficult. They are only difficult now because mp burns so fast. Not because of some cool ability that you have to watch out for or %hp tactic to watch for.

[Roll]

Dude these ARE the low level nms... that was the whole idea when they were implemented. Now you cant even duo them at the levels that are required to equip the piece.

There's a reason why NM's are supposed to be harder than normal mobs... If only there was someway we could have, I don't know, a max of 8 person party so we could fight these difficult NM's...