Hm, i115 Nexus upgrade has me worried for Third Coil.

[Krr]

I guess I should append my monstrous essay of a post in light of absurd statements to the contrary: Coil still is, and will always require, the highest level of group coordination and personal job play skill in the game. (Though that pre-requisite deprecates as the content becomes older with each passing day.)

There is also a lack of substantial reward from raiding, but honestly, I do not understand the need to finger-waggle at Relics, which require months upon hours of labor to create, for the cause of this. Hunts were the thing that killed this.

[Gildarts]

beat T6 - T9 in your 1st attempt then come talk

hell you are talking about hardest content in the game

i can get the novus in my sleep

while coil require every bit of my attention

same goes for you~

[cryptic_angel]

I guess I should append my monstrous essay of a post in light of absurd statements to the contrary: Coil still is, and will always require, the highest level of group coordination and personal job play skill in the game. (Though that pre-requisite deprecates as the content becomes older with each passing day.)

There is also a lack of substantial reward from raiding, but honestly, I do not understand the need to finger-waggle at Relics, which require months upon hours of labors to create, for the cause of this. Hunts were the thing that killed this.

A relic novus would have felt more like a reward if unweathered weapons were not so easy to get. I think it is a great analogy for non-raiders to sink their teeth into if they consider how the value of their novus was cheapened by readily available unweathered weapons. The only reward the novus served up was custom itemization.

[Nutz]

I really don't see how so many people feel that something taking a very long time and dedication is akin to a handout. A Zodiac weapon takes well over 200 hours if you're very generous with the calculations (ie. 1 atma every 2 hours, books take 7 hours including myth farm, 1 alexandrite every 2 hours, maybe 5 hours for pre-relic to zenith). Zodiac weapons should be catching up to Raid drops as it's becoming increasingly rare for anybody to have more than 1 at max level and most people are a step behind at least. Nevermind the fact that my figures are absurd and the time commitment is actually much longer and I didn't even mention the materia.

[Numenor1379]

I really don't see how so many people feel that something taking a very long time and dedication is akin to a handout. A Zodiac weapon takes well over 200 hours if you're very generous with the calculations (ie. 1 atma every 2 hours, books take 7 hours including myth farm, 1 alexandrite every 2 hours, maybe 5 hours for pre-relic to zenith). Zodiac weapons should be catching up to Raid drops as it's becoming increasingly rare for anybody to have more than 1 at max level and most people are a step behind at least. Nevermind the fact that my figures are absurd and the time commitment is actually much longer and I didn't even mention the materia.

It's not that it's a handout, raiders just don't think there should ever be anything equal to what they get. They want to learn their fights, get things on farm, and then lord over the rest of us the gear they have which 95% of the rest of us will never see.

My question is this... why can't there be different paths to top end gear that's all equivalent? We've got the body gear right now that's that way... why can't we have the weapons be that too? One method takes raiding dedication, the other takes hundreds of hours of solitary grind as thousands upon thousands of gil to make.

[cryptic_angel]

I really don't see how so many people feel that something taking a very long time and dedication is akin to a handout. A Zodiac weapon takes well over 200 hours if you're very generous with the calculations (ie. 1 atma every 2 hours, books take 7 hours including myth farm, 1 alexandrite every 2 hours, maybe 5 hours for pre-relic to zenith). Zodiac weapons should be catching up to Raid drops as it's becoming increasingly rare for anybody to have more than 1 at max level and most people are a step behind at least. Nevermind the fact that my figures are absurd and the time commitment is actually much longer and I didn't even mention the materia.

It's not a handout, but it should not be as good as the weapon you get from the hardest content in the game.

[Miunih]

I really don't see how so many people feel that something taking a very long time and dedication is akin to a handout. . . . . . . . Nevermind the fact that my figures are absurd and the time commitment is actually much longer and I didn't even mention the materia.

While watching movies, netflix, anime, masturbate.

Raiding actually requires both skill (Not just of yoruself, but to catch mistakes of others as well) and a lot of patience/paying attention that strains the brain (a bit too much sometimes.)

Time is NOT effort. I can either wait for my mom to make money to get live in her home. Or I could work myself to get my own, better home!

[Altijacek]

Methinks you attune this weapon by running dungeons and raids and trials and PVP. And the harder the dungeon, the more attunement. So if you do second coil, instant Nexus. If you don't, then you won't finish by 2.4.

[Yukiko]

A relic novus would have felt more like a reward if unweathered weapons were not so easy to get. I think it is a great analogy for non-raiders to sink their teeth into if they consider how the value of their novus was cheapened by readily available unweathered weapons. The only reward the novus served up was custom itemization.

I dont get it...
It sounds like you are fine with coil weapons but at same time you are talking about increasing "value" of novus, doesnt it sound a bit odd?
Do you own a Novus? I wonder...

It's not a handout, but it should not be as good as the weapon you get from the hardest content in the game.

Coil is NOT the hardest content in game, and from hardest content you just get a titel... have you already beaten savage coil?

[Noahlimits]

No, I completely "get" what it is. I've done it myself. You just don't seem to understand there isn't much to it. You learn the mechanics (or go on youtube, like 90% of the player base). And then...Thats it. Congrats. If you can perform the simple task of memorization, you'll win. There's nothing to it beyond that other than not trying to waltz in there undergeared. You're trumping it up as something far greater than it is.

But you haven't cleared t9. How have you "done it yourself"? Unless you're on an alt, which would be really convenient considering your statement on t9 being so "easy".