Pug 1.18 notes pre launch discussion

[Physic]

I liked the PGL changes...other than basic attacks it was pretty much enhanced. IMO only PGL and GLA might be satisfied with the patch...and LNC, ARC and DoM might be pissed as hell!

...and my poor MRD...was forgotten at limbo ; ; WTF!!! Why didn't they boost maim? ; ;

i dont understand here, how is pug enhanced? you cant link flurry anymore, and its on a 60 second timer. light strike is on a 30 second timer and costs MP, but you have no way to get back mp other than between fights, which is ideally supposed to be short.
the increase the dmg of simian thrash, but how often will you be able to do it, with 30 seconds on light strike? 60 seconds on taunt? and decreasing cures mean that your lack of defense will be more penalized, you will be taking a larger risk, and using more of a lowering resource of MP when you try to land on evasion skills?

way i see it pug has taken a nerf. Lnc will rule basic DD and Arc is only slightly changed. Pug will no longer be able to tank anywhere near a glad, who has basically got a boost to DD and tanking.

[Physic]

yeah, everyone is gonna have to level a few levels on THM now for MP Tap....

siphon mp is by no means hax on subjob, it has a heavy recast timer, and doesnt even give that much mp. Even less when done on live monsters, so in long fights, its going to suck.

[Coglin]

siphon mp is by no means hax on subjob, it has a heavy recast timer, and doesnt even give that much mp. Even less when done on live monsters, so in long fights, its going to suck.

believe me I understand> I hate to say it though, but Pugs will get no sympathy from my or any other THM main. It was one thing to reign back emulate, everyone knew it was ofer the top, but THMs as a whole toom a beat down with the nerf bat ourselves.

So yeah, Its gonna suck, I get that. Try readinghow all the THM abilities got nerfed......

[KRose]

the increase the dmg of simian thrash, but how often will you be able to do it, with 30 seconds on light strike? 60 seconds on taunt?

I don't know about you, but Simian Thrash isn't that hard to perform now. I evade fairly consistently on most things, and on NMs or higher ranked mobs in general you can pretty much ensure an evade with Featherfoot II. As far as the 60sec Taunt... yeah that sucks but it isn't absolutely terrible. With Intimidation and Accomplice I barely use it anyway.

[Physic]

I don't know about you, but Simian Thrash isn't that hard to perform now. I evade fairly consistently on most things, and on NMs or higher ranked mobs in general you can pretty much ensure an evade with Featherfoot II. As far as the 60sec Taunt... yeah that sucks but it isn't absolutely terrible. With Intimidation and Accomplice I barely use it anyway.

that was when hate was based on actions, and you doing 3 swings almost all the time, now its based on dps, and you can only swing 3 times every 60 seconds.
you also used to be able to put up the light strike buff all the time which in all honesty was pretty strong. unless light strike buff lasts 30 seconds, man, just man.

[KRose]

Well... you can only Flurry every 60 seconds. Flurry isn't the main source of hate anyway.

Yeah I was just talking to somebody about how you can't Perma-Light Strike (unless as you stated, the buff lasts 30+ seconds) anymore but it still. That doesn't stop you from using it in conjunction with Featherfoot II.

I'm not sure how Intimidation works with Accomplice but regardless, you're still stealing hate.

[Lienn]

i dont understand here, how is pug enhanced? you cant link flurry anymore, and its on a 60 second timer. light strike is on a 30 second timer and costs MP, but you have no way to get back mp other than between fights, which is ideally supposed to be short.
the increase the dmg of simian thrash, but how often will you be able to do it, with 30 seconds on light strike? 60 seconds on taunt? and decreasing cures mean that your lack of defense will be more penalized, you will be taking a larger risk, and using more of a lowering resource of MP when you try to land on evasion skills?

way i see it pug has taken a nerf. Lnc will rule basic DD and Arc is only slightly changed. Pug will no longer be able to tank anywhere near a glad, who has basically got a boost to DD and tanking.

Well, haymaker, victimize and simian were enhanced, light strike got recast but all other classes also had similar change so its not like light strike change will mess with PGL. Also, need to check if the light strike buff duration wasn't increased (i'd expect it to)...if it stays up the time light strike is down then its all good. Stygan is more than enough to recover light strike MP cost.

Taunt went up to 50 sec...ok. No one would use oly taunt to tank...its almost needed to have taunt and voke (and warmonger...i love it ^^) so in the end i'd expect taunt to be much more effective now with the new enmity algorithm than before...or it wouls stay with 20 sec recast.

But since i'm still trying to enter the game i'm just guessing stuff still...

[KRose]

Light Strike's recast is currently @20secs. =x

[Lienn]

Light Strike's recast is currently @20secs. =x

Were you able to try it? i'm curious about its buff duration lenght.

[Physic]

played it in game, light strike buff is still 8 seconds, looks the AA without pressing anything feels really weird to me.

for pug the game is way more tp heavy, most of the planning doesnt occur in the getting of tp, but after you get tp, seems like it plays a lot more like lancer, i see most DD having to equip as many tp skills as possible now.

i did solo so i dont really know how the team stuff works