Petition: make Allied Seals a reward for PVP too

[tehomegaking]

As far as queue times goes, I'm rarely more than 5 mins on primal adders.

Of course you are gonna have lower queue times if you are on adders since the allied seal gear is less desirable.

> says you have lower queue times because because adder allied seals are less desirable
> allied seals aren't a reward for frontlines and as such have no effect on queue times


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[Vittorino]

I don't support this.

We have enough; welfare loot being tossed around. You want PvP gear?
Go do it like the rest of us have.

It's PvP content not PvE- Can we kill a mob to get PvP gear.. I'm dumbfounded at this thread. please discontinue.

[Hammerfist]

We have enough; welfare loot being tossed around. You want PvP gear?
Go do it like the rest of us have.

Do you mean by win trading in the Wolves' Den? No thanks.

And besides, to the people who do not want any more "PVEers" in PVP content, who do you think you're already playing with? PVE is and will always be the main content of this game (SE said it itself), as well as there are and there will always be bad players in both PVP and PVE.

[Vittorino]

Do you mean by win trading in the Wolves' Den? No thanks.

And besides, to the people who do not want any more "PVEers" in PVP content, who do you think you're already playing with? PVE is and will always be the main content of this game (SE said it itself), as well as there are and there will always be bad players in both PVP and PVE.

It's belittling to think you would get such a misconception to what I was referring to. I was referring to patch 2.3, and your judgment seems to be flawed; look further into before making false accusations and claiming unethical notions to the mass of PvP players. Pre 2.3 of course there were Win-Traders, so what. let them go about their business, their skill-sets are determined by the performance they output. Do not misconceive the notion of a select few to the mass of XIV:ARR based on such unqualified notions. Plenty of worthy individuals have accomplished Rank 40. Do not belittle such individuals because the other % lacked the derivative to compete at such a level. It is an utter shame that we have some unintelligent individuals playing. While we have a majority of intelligent folks. Before responding please think clearly before posting. thanks buddy

Thanks for your Time.
Vitt

[Hammerfist]

It's belittling to think you would get such a misconception to what I was referring to. I was referring to patch 2.3, and your judgment seems to be flawed; look further into before making false accusations and claiming unethical notions to the mass of PvP players. Pre 2.3 of course there were Win-Traders, so what. let them go about their business, their skill-sets are determined by the performance they output. Do not misconceive the notion of a select few to the mass of XIV:ARR based on such unqualified notions. Plenty of worthy individuals have accomplished Rank 40. Do not belittle such individuals because the other % lacked the derivative to compete at such a level. It is an utter shame that we have some unintelligent individuals playing. While we have a majority of intelligent folks. Before responding please think clearly before posting. thanks buddy

Thanks for your Time.
Vitt

It's a fact that most people who are rank 40 arrived there by win trading. Of course not all of them did that, I'm sure that many worked hard for it, but right now the only alternative to win trading is to stay logged in all day and wait 2 hours on average for each match, which is practically impossible for anyone that has a life. Oh, and thank you for belittling my intelligence.

[Fyce]

I don't support this.

We have enough; welfare loot being tossed around. You want PvP gear?
Go do it like the rest of us have.

It's PvP content not PvE- Can we kill a mob to get PvP gear.. I'm dumbfounded at this thread. please discontinue.

You're missing the point. OP don't want to give free PVE stuff around using PVP.
The goal is to make people play PVP to begin with, and since FFXIV is a PVE oriented game, giving some PVE rewards is a good solution.

[Vittorino]

Giving incentive of doing PvE content to support PvP gear or other PvP related content is never a good solution. Live Letter IX August 2013, although it has strayed from his original perspective, was oriented for both PvP & PvE respectively. Although PvP may have now taken a backburner that might change in the future who knows. . I Did not miss the point .

Hammerfist, you're most welcome

Have a swell day!
Vitt

[Fyce]

Giving incentive of doing PvE content to support PvP gear or other PvP related content is never a good solution. Live Letter IX August 2013, although it has strayed from his original perspective, was oriented for both PvP & PvE respectively. Although PvP may have now taken a backburner that might change in the future who knows. . I Did not miss the point .

Yes, you did miss it because you did not take a few things into consideration:

1. FFXIV is a PVE game. PVE rewards are the best things to make people do something.
2. Frontlines was designed as a bridge between PVE and PVP in order to introduce PVE players to PVP. (Which is why elitist comments are stupid.)
3. Current PVP rewards are designed for two things only: glamour and Wolves Den. Since you can't PVP that much day because of ridiculous queues times, some people can't even buy and Glamour the PVP gear since they're not 40... which virtualy leads to useless PVP rewards... or "not worth it", I might say.
4. You can't make PVP rewards designed especially for Frontlines because of point 2.

If you don't take these into account when saying "PVP rewards should only be PVP related!", you're forgetting why Frontlines were added to the game to begin with.
So, yes, in this context, rewarding players with a valuable PVE reward is a good solution. It links two parts of the game in an elegant manner and fits the original design of Frontlines.

tl;dr: If ou want people to do some PVP in a PVE oriented game, PVE rewards are a good solution. Trying to bring the two things together will have better results than splitting them even more.

[Divinemight]

tl;dr: If ou want people to do some PVP in a PVE oriented game, PVE rewards are a good solution. Trying to bring the two things together will have better results than splitting them even more.

This is a forbidden door that should not be open until new ilvl pve gear is out and allied seals no longer a current in game currency. There are serveral flaws in OP and your arguments:


1. There are already established PvP community on both Aether and Primals, just not on Chaos. The OP's goal sound like an attempt to increase Chao's PvP population, but his resolution is a sugar coated poison that did not address anything. You are open a door to pest horde that will move on once they got what they needed. You still unable to establish a PvP community on the Chaos.

2. This wont resolve your queue time issue because you have opened a door to a bunch of people that dont care about PvP. Their first reaction will be jump to the winning wagon (Malestorm) and make the queue time even more worst than before.

The only possibility that allied seals can become as PvP reward is that when it is no longer a current hottest in game currency. It should only make its way to PvP when it can not be used to exchange latest PvE gear.

[NorthernLadMSP]

After reading some of the comments against this, I am starting to change my mind. It totally makes sense that it won't really fix the queue problem long term, because after 2.4 hits and the new gear comes out, most people won't need Allied Seals anymore.