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    Doki's Avatar
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    Doki Waku
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    My point is, in order to kick me, the person had to decide to use the given options of afk, offline, harassment, or cheating to kick me and I wasn't doing any of those. If the devs want to go ahead and add "wasn't a team player" or "because they weren't doing what I told them to do" that's one thing. Either way, I feel that the person being kicked, at the very least, should be told the selected reason for their removal from party & instance.

    If someone isn't responding to something you are saying in any particular chat channel, you can't automatically assume they are afk. They might be in the middle of trolling 5 members of the opposing team running circles around the cabin by their op with SCH and not have time to validate your need to control everyone that randomly queue with you. Hell... if the vote kick option is afk, it should ASK a yes no prompt to the person about to be kicked at the very least (nevermind that it already has a 2 minute auto-kick for afk so why have that as an option in FL at all), and offline shouldn't even be an option when they are still online. That just leaves cheating & harassment, which should link directly into opening a support ticket explaining what the user was doing to warrant it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doki View Post
    My point is, in order to kick me, the person had to decide to use the given options of afk, offline, harassment, or cheating to kick me and I wasn't doing any of those. If the devs want to go ahead and add "wasn't a team player" or "because they weren't doing what I told them to do" that's one thing. Either way, I feel that the person being kicked, at the very least, should be told the selected reason for their removal from party & instance.
    Well, about that:

    Quote Originally Posted by Enkrateia View Post
    However, there is one topic in this thread that seems to be an underlying point of contention: reasons for dismissal that are not strictly "AFK", "Offline", "Harassment", or "Cheating". I would like to address this.

    The response from the GM touched on this, although it was missed due to the focus on the first part of that sentence. The reasons for dismissal are not all encompassing, which means that there may be valid reasons for dismissal outside of those four examples. Good examples of this that have been provided in this thread are the refusal to fulfill one's job function. Because of this, it is possible that the reasons provided for dismissal may be found to be accurate if they are used against you. As well, the feelings one may have about the reasons may differ from the feelings of those who voted to dismiss. For example, cultural differences in language may have one person using language they find fairly benign while another person takes great offense to it.

    Because of these subjective discrepancies, the final decision on if a violation of the use of the vote dismiss feature is left to a GM after an investigation. In general, abuse of the vote dismiss feature is considered to be a grief tactics violation, which falls under section 3.2 in the Final Fantasy XIV User Agreement. However, it is only after a GM investigation that it can be determined to be a violation of the rules. If you feel that the vote dismiss feature has been abused, please do report it to the GMs through the Help Desk in game, and we will investigate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doki View Post
    My point is, in order to kick me, the person had to decide to use the given options of afk, offline, harassment, or cheating to kick me and I wasn't doing any of those. If the devs want to go ahead and add "wasn't a team player" or "because they weren't doing what I told them to do" that's one thing. Either way, I feel that the person being kicked, at the very least, should be told the selected reason for their removal from party & instance.
    For better or worse, they've pretty much come out and said the reason doesn't matter. You can kick someone for having a different playstyle or basically any reason, as long as you're not griefing them out of loot or similar.
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