Petition: make Allied Seals a reward for PVP too

[Hammerfist]

I came up with this idea after realizing one thing: on my datacenter (Chaos) PVP is practically DEAD.
By dead I mean that queues have become simply ridiculous for both the Wolves' Den and Frontlines, just last night I waited for more than 120 minutes at peak hour (around 9 PM) but nothing ever popped... I tried to enter with a full party too, but even then we couldn't get in within an hour and everyone just gave up.
I have 2 characters on different factions but queue times are about the same (pretty much infinite), so the only reason for this must be that no one is playing PVP anymore.
When I asked my FC mates and other friends about it, they told me that, while they enjoy PVP most of the times (especially Frontlines), they gave up on it because the queue times are absurd and because... they find it "useless".

I think this is the whole point of the question: as of now the only rewards we get from PVP are a few tomestones, Exp points for upgrading PVP skills and seals for buying gear (its only real use outside of PVP is for glamour and in order to use the ilv100 gear you have to get to rank 40 first anyway, which requires a ridiculous amount of time); 2 out of these 3 rewards are related to PVP only and are therefore considered not worthy of any time by most people.

One of the easiest things that would make people play PVP again would be making it give PVE rewards too, in this case Allied Seals: right now Hunts are probably the most played endgame content since they give huge rewards for very little effort (pretty much the wet dream of every casual player), so what about trying to simultaneously give balance to two contents that need it?

Let's say that we'd get 10 seals for each Wolves' Den match and 30 seals for every Frontline match: in this way Hunts would become less saturated with players and more enjoyable while at the same time more and more people would play and enjoy PVP without feeling like they're wasting their time, since they'd also get those sweet PVE rewards (oils and sands of time, alexandrites, GC gear, etc...).
Of course the goal of my suggestion isn't to get rid of Hunts or to make gathering seals any easier, but it's to balance the game and give it more options (10-30 seals as rewards are IMHO what would be balanced now, but depending on the new PVP queue times they could be less or more); it's a very easy fix to implement and there shouldn't even be any issues lore-wise since Allied Seals are related to your GC anyway.
EDIT: [ Deelo's suggestion of giving allied seals based on the result of the match would actually make it better, although I'd prefer less of a difference between first and last place as I don't want everyone to just join the GC that wins more often (maybe 20-15-10 seals for Frontlines and 10-5 for Wolves' Den? But I guess it's something that should really be evaluated and decided by SE).]

I know that SE has always been a bit shy about PVP and wanted to make it an extra feature completly separated from the rest of the game, but right now people are having a hard time to find any reason to play PVP and it's such a shame for a content that had so much development put into it and still does (I for once find PVP very enjoyable too, maybe even more than most of the PVE endgame content I'm left with doing).
There are new PVP contents coming in the next patches and I can't really say how things are gonna change, but I think it's time to reduce this sharp separation between PVP and PVE content and be a bit bolder about it, so please take this petition into consideration!

[NorthernLadMSP]

I totally support this. You use the Seals only at your own Grand Company for purchases, so it only makes sense that Frontlines which is tied so heavily into Grand Companies rewards them. I love Frontlines and would do it ANY DAY OF THE WEEK over hunts.

[Deelo]

(Frontline)
15 for win
8 for 2nd
3 for 3rd

That would be the most fair imo. You don't want to anger the zerglings...that amount still makes hunting desirable. Having a set amount gained after each match is a really bad idea because you'd have lazy people just que and afk/bot to get the 30 (your suggestion) free Allied Seals.

[NorthernLadMSP]

(Frontline)
15 for win
8 for 2nd
3 for 3rd

That would be the most fair imo. You don't want to anger the zerglings...that amount still makes hunting desirable. Having a set amount gained after each match is a really bad idea because you'd have lazy people just que and afk/bot to get the 30 (your suggestion) free Allied Seals.

Yeah, this seems like a fair number.

[Zyphione]

It would be a good idea as I know people who do not enjoy the need to be part of a linkshell in order to get anything done in hunts outside of the daily board.

[Panteleon]

The PvP is so fun in Carteneau, I'm kinda astounded that any servers are having trouble getting it going.

It's not a bad idea to incentivize it with Allied Seals... brings people together in PvP which is substantially healthier for the game than people doing daily hunts on their own.

[Nalien]

Yes please. I literally only want Allied Seals for the Elite gear, which I pretty much only want because wearing that in Frontlines is just right. Hate the Hunt zerg and absolutely love Frontlines.

Really don't get why PvP gives us animal gear, while Hunts gives us GC gear. Having it the other way around makes far more sense.

Even though I'm fairly sure the logistics of it would be nearly impossible, I always thought it would be a nice idea for PvP to have its own Mark Bills, to have us hunt down particularly effective players on our data centers, though I guess it would work better if it was just a target Job. Even then though, getting a kill as certain Jobs can be a pain (as Paladin I'm reduced to Glory Slashing groups off the Heliodrome, which is damned fun, but gravity gets the credit, not me...).

[Geologo]

Yes! I tought to Company seals and I repied to myself "Who will care" after I realized that u were talking about Allied Seals xD

Anyway, even if I wouldn't like it so much, I would like to see Allied Seals as PvP Duty Roulette reward.
In my opinion if they will be gived to you even if you lose, even if it is a really low amount, afkers will come for multiple runs.
With a DR I HOPE that it wouldn't happens because you just have to focus for 1 match.

Or even a few Allied Seals balanceable reward for any frontline (like Deelo said 15-8-3) and a bonus reward for the DR (balanced on the winn loss too, or it won't make sense)

Anyway even for the OP suggestion I'm up, actual wait time for pvp is really a pain

[Buff_Archer]

I'd like a way to get Allied Seals instead of Hunts in their current form. Sitting in a long Frontlines queue as join in progress, means you can't be in a Hunt party and get credit on A/S ranks, so wanting to do one effectively has prevented me from being able to do the other. However if Allied Seals was a PVP reward, the same people who ruined Hunts will just find a way to ruin Frontlines. Trust me, they would find a way.

[Deelo]

However if Allied Seals was a PVP reward, the same people who ruined Hunts will just find a way to ruin Frontlines. Trust me, they would find a way.

That is exactly why I suggested the 15-8-3 reward amount. OP's suggestion of 20-15-10 is *way* too high. You have to keep in mind that people will deliberately join and do nothing for the entire game for the nice reward of 10 free seals, ruining Frontlines...15 per win won't detract from hunts and will motivate people to cooperate for the victory. 8 is a decent 'pat on the back' for trying and 3 per loss will (should) keep the trolls out. I would be bold and propose zero Allied Seals for losing, but I know all too well how frustrating it is when you're doing your best and other teams drop the ball. As far as people joining the winning side, I don't really have any solution for that...especially if they keep the GC vs GC vs GC system.