Mecrofeeding: The Way to Chocobo Color Dyeing

[Erendis]

Gimp documentation claims that their colour picker can pick colour average of an area.

I tried out the ffxivchocobo.com yesterday to get my chocobo to soot black - in result got him nophica green which now requires exactly same type and amount of fruits to get to soot black as before shown in calculator.

Conclusion - with choco feed calculator you just waste more fruit to get another random colour.

Did you split the fruit that reached border values like it was advised?

[TomTom1968]

I finally got the color I wanted with the help of these hints. But now I have a different problem: the snow white isn't white enough for me lol. I had bone white before and now it is snow white but both have lots of grey in it..isn't there a real white color, only white? I so hoped for a rocking combination of a plain white Choccobo in a WHM barding. Now my birdie looks somehow dirty haha.

[Dyze]

Been trying to wrap my head around the whole coloring process for the last week. After a small misunderstanding I landed on Snow White.

So I've been working my way down from there. Figured that with Apples and Berries I'd be able to lower green value a lot, while maintaining a decently high Red/blue to play around and get purple colors.
I always stop at the first feathers, so I can see what's going on. So I don't really know how much I've shoved down his throat.. but it's usually 1-4 snacks for a New Feathers.
This is the process from Snow White.
Berry - Ice Blue
Berry - Celeste Green
Apple - Don't actually recall what this step was. Since I fed him almost immediately. However I believe it was a step back to Ice Blue. Since this is when i started to go "wtf!" a lot. hehe
Apple - Ash Grey
Apple - Gobbiebag Brown
Berry - Waiting..

[Dyze]

Been trying to wrap my head around what's been happening.
From the RGB values of these colors it would seem that Berries have lowered Red drastically and Apple has lowered Blue drastically.. yet neither has hardly touched Green.
Which is weird, because it should've done the opposite. Green should've been drained like a lizard. While the others should've balanced each other out.

Does this mean that the feeding process favors green? or have I just been really unlucky with RNGs being high red/blue and low greens with 5 feedings in a row?

There's also the weird step of Ice Blue to Celeste Green. Where the blue value dropped using a Berries.. which should've increased it.

I dont really have a color goal. Mostly just trying to get some control and possibly get into the darker hues.

[Sadana]

Simple questions incoming:

C. Using the new spreadsheet copy, select your Starting color, and Target color, and input the recommended feed fruit and amount from step A. EG: pear 17, apple 19, berry 28

Where do I input this? Quantity column C? The spreadsheet gave me a list of dozens of fruit compared to the ten total from the calculator. I put 1s and 2s into the fruit already listed and zeroed out the ones I didn't need; how do I remove the zeroed out lines without removing the instructions? Does this matter?

D. Check if any of the RGB values is 0 or 255.

Where do I check this? Each fruit's line or down at "to target"?

F. Repeat from step D for the next fruit until the "Current Guess" is the Target color and you have used up as many fruits as recommended. During this adjustment phase you will want to keep the To Target values for all three RGB within +/- 5. EG: step 2: apple 19 into step 2: apple 3, step 5: apple 16

The total fruits recommended by the Calculator? Keep the "to target" values within +/- 5 of which other numbers?

** There may be times when you will need to rearrange the fruit feeding order. EG: berry must be fed first.

How do you know when to do this?

Thanks for pulling all this together!

btw, anyone else having trouble opening the spreadsheet?

eta: Oh, what about the feathers message? In the case of going from Celeste Green to Corpse Blue, I don't need many fruit. Numbers this low, in my experience, may mean I'll never see the feathers proc.

[AttacKat]

9/9: Using GIMP tool to re-spec the RGB color values, the GIMP based value will be the average value of 7x7 pixels instead of the one pixel of the old 8th scale method. Therefore, it will also be further refined and rounded to the nearest 4th scale. (0, 3, 7, 11, 15 ... 255)

Will post updated RGB spreadsheet when I am done later today.

Simple questions incoming:

btw, anyone else having trouble opening the spreadsheet?

The spreadsheet is made available as read only to avoid web traffic congestion, hence step B, make a copy (aka new web page link). From step C on, you will be working using your own copy.

Where do I input this? Quantity column C? The spreadsheet gave me a list of dozens of fruit compared to the ten total from the calculator. I put 1s and 2s into the fruit already listed and zeroed out the ones I didn't need; how do I remove the zeroed out lines without removing the instructions? Does this matter?

Col B and C, where B you type in the fruits you need, using the fruits listed in "key". You can delete all the other data in col B and C.

Where do I check this? Each fruit's line or down at "to target"?

Each step line.

Keep the "to target" values within +/- 5 of which other numbers?

To itself. In other words, if you see a -7 or 12, that means the -7 or 12 may still be further refined. It may not be possible all the time, but you want all three values to be under <5 when possible.

How do you know when to do this?

Look at your RGB value, are any of them hitting 0 or 255? If your current RGB is 119, 119, 39, are you going to be able to feed it 20 apples first and reduce from the 39 B? No, because 20 apples reduces B by -100, therefore your are hitting the 0 wall, causing an error of 61 B in your result. Therefore, before you can feed it 20 apples, you must feed another fruit first from your calculated result to bring the B >= 61.

Thanks for pulling all this together!

Your are welcome. I am glad this see this seems to be working and we are heading down the right track. Credit also goes to all the others that have done a lot of prior research/input, worked or not, or else I wouldn't have researched down this path.

Numbers this low, in my experience, may mean I'll never see the feathers proc.

Can throw that all out of the window. We are working in a very different format now compared to the old one fruit one proc method. There has been many cases of feeding 1 unit of fruit and get a feather proc right away. I myself did the soot black feeding 71 fruits in 1 session, and gotten feather procs on 69 fruits in a row.

[mero-ix]

There have been several players mentioning that you can obtain Snow White from Desert Yellow using only something like 12+ plums. I don't remember the exact thread/page it was posted in however. :/

You can get Snow White from Desert Yellow by feeding Plums until the feather proc, wait 6 hrs, feed again until proc and voila (how my friend and I did it), so it's safe to assume you could just do it in one feeding of Plums with two feather prcos? Don't think we used more than 10 Plums altogether, though we both fed slightly different amounts to get the procs.

I dunno why people/calculators have been saying to use so many different fruit.

[Rorichan]

Therefore, we need to modify the feeding so all the values adjustment are within the RGB value limit for each unit of fruit eaten,

pear	6	193	213	57
apple	5	218	188	32
berry	10	168	138	82
pear	6	138	168	52
apple	5	163	143	27
berry	10	113	93	77
pear	6	83	123	47
apple	5	108	98	22
berry	9	63	53	67
apple	6	93	23	37

Current		93	23	37
To Target	2	8	10
Current Guess	Rolanberry Red

Has anyone tried this? I'm on my second try to get my chocobo to Rolanberry Red and if I don't get it this time I don't know what to do. Growing/buying fruit is getting to be a might expensive.

[FriendlyUncle]

I apologize, I am completely new to chocobo dyeing and have been trying to get my bird and my fiance's to Soot Black and Colibiri Pink respectively, I've often thought something like the theory you proposed was correct. That people were over shooting or hitting a limit on the RGB scales with mass feeding.

I just want to make sure I understand this correctly so I don't mess up since I have only a small housing plot to work with so feed takes a long time to grow. You list each step as a single feeding, correct? IE step 1 feed X amount of berries, wait 6 hours for change, step 2 feed X amount of pears. Or are you doing this all in one feeding only splitting up the fruits. IE. Feed X pears, feed Y berries, Z apples, then wait out the 6 hour change period?

Thank you in advance, AttacKat. So far I've found your research very helpful and will be looking forward to more of your work.

[PuhnTang]

I finally got the color I wanted with the help of these hints. But now I have a different problem: the snow white isn't white enough for me lol. I had bone white before and now it is snow white but both have lots of grey in it..isn't there a real white color, only white? I so hoped for a rocking combination of a plain white Choccobo in a WHM barding. Now my birdie looks somehow dirty haha.

I got Snow White and thought the same thing, he just looked dirty. You might try Ice Blue. It's not really a blue, and IMO is nicer than the White. One of our FC mates has it and it's really stunning. Good luck!