What's with the Early Pull Brigade?

[Clavaat]

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I know exactly what you're referring to, and I think I was even in your PT.

Those players had every right to do what they did. By reacting the way you did, you only make yourself look bad, not them. I join Hunt PT's, I join the calls, wait, etc but I don't give a shit if someone "pulls early". If I'm there, I'm there. If I'm not, oh well, there will be another pop in another zone that I will get. They have every right to pull when they see it.

I think that's the main crux of it: we know when and where these things are going to pop. If you miss one, you will get the next, most likely.

And this is the issue a particular hunt LS on Balmung has created: They have an actual part of their forum which publicly shames people who "pull early", on purpose or otherwise. This is not OK, by any stretch of the imagination. This monopolizes hunts, because if you aren't with them, you're against them, and there goes your credit ever. I've outright spoken against Hunt LS' on this forum and finally gave up and played the way they wanted me to. That doesn't mean I will get mad or shame others who stick to their principles and play the way they feel is right.

If you are actually getting mad at something like this, you should seriously check yourself. It's irrational.

[Souljacker]

I think Balmung is one of the worst in terms of hunt community. It's not going to change until this content is obsoleted, and hopefully SE will have learned their lesson and leave hunts behind.

[Aylis]

I think that's the main crux of it: we know when and where these things are going to pop. If you miss one, you will get the next, most likely.

That and people, I dunno. So many times I get the impression they honestly believe once a monster is killed then that's it it will be wiped from the world forever and so will Allied marks and all the rewards with them in one weeks time. The monster will in fact spawn again. Its not going anywhere. I just don't understand it all all and maybe its just my age creeping up on me. A party kills a monster. No big deal, we congrats them on their win and we moved along like it was nothing. Even when games had open world raids we had nothing like this drama. The party or raid kills it, fine awesome congrats. it will spawn again

Then again this is largely the reason why I don't hunt. The rage over something so trivial that has been a part of MMO's since forever. Never in my life had I heard it called being self centered or sociopathy. ummm lol how? I'm with my friends and were having fun. Why am I to be little miss server obligation to everyone but my friends? Its just nothing like I ever heard of.

[Souljacker]

Then again this is largely the reason why I don't hunt. The rage over something so trivial that has been a part of MMO's since forever. Never in my life had I heard it called being self centered or sociopathy. ummm lol how? I'm with my friends and were having fun. Why am I to be little miss server obligation to everyone but my friends? Its just nothing like I ever heard of.

The effort:reward ratio is skewed, and it feeds sociopathic behavior by design. People who want to play as gods can do so as evidenced by "Servers organizing themselves". A handful of people are controlling how things play out, and the rest either follows as sheep, or is shunned from the community (ala the linkshell on balmung with their name and shame forum). It's really a horrible environment that encourages the worst in people.

[Aylis]

"Servers organizing themselves".

Bringing back bad memories. Hearing this reminded me of a similar time in my old game Eq in its early days. Where the top server guilds formed an alliance of sorts to "dish out" the open world raid targets in a rotation system. Sadly the same principals presided. You either played by their rules or were shunned by the server. In all fairness it worked for a while until inter-guild drama started. Finger pointed and name calling occured. The rotations were going out simply because as guilds out grew the content. They never removed their name from the rotation. At the time of the break up this guild server alliance wound up causing more server drama then the combined efforts of individual players that were just trying to have fun and play in peace could ever do.

[Zyrusticae]

I know exactly what you're referring to, and I think I was even in your PT.

Those players had every right to do what they did. By reacting the way you did, you only make yourself look bad, not them. I join Hunt PT's, I join the calls, wait, etc but I don't give a shit if someone "pulls early". If I'm there, I'm there. If I'm not, oh well, there will be another pop in another zone that I will get. They have every right to pull when they see it.

I think that's the main crux of it: we know when and where these things are going to pop. If you miss one, you will get the next, most likely.

And this is the issue a particular hunt LS on Balmung has created: They have an actual part of their forum which publicly shames people who "pull early", on purpose or otherwise. This is not OK, by any stretch of the imagination. This monopolizes hunts, because if you aren't with them, you're against them, and there goes your credit ever. I've outright spoken against Hunt LS' on this forum and finally gave up and played the way they wanted me to. That doesn't mean I will get mad or shame others who stick to their principles and play the way they feel is right.

"Monopolizing hunts"? Really? When you can easily jump in at any time to get things done? And people pulling extremely quickly allowing few-to-no other players to get credit isn't itself exclusionary? Gimme a break.

As far as I'm concerned, there are two views here: the capitalist, me-me-me, everybody out for themselves, anti-social direction that you are apparently in favor of, or the socialist (dirty word, apparently), colloborative, community-minded, everybody-gets-a-share direction. And I can understand why some people think the laissez-faire direction is the right way to go... but you are seriously delusional if you think that that is, in any way, going to work out for the greater community.

It's funny how much the Hunts represents a microcosm of our society in this way. So many people subscribe to FFA as being 'the way things are' when, really, that is not at all the way things have to be and is, in fact, a source of many of our modern-day woes.

If you are actually getting mad at something like this, you should seriously check yourself. It's irrational.

Read my post again.

You're not going to convince me the collaborative side is more irrational than the side that gives no shits.

[Clavaat]

Read my post again.

You're not going to convince me the collaborative side is more irrational than the side that gives no shits.

Clearly you don't understand any of what I said, at all. Getting mad about it makes you, personally irrational. You could easily say, "Well shit, looks like I missed this one. Oh well." and move on to the next one that you will probably get. You are blowing this well-beyond out of proportion with your political statements and comparisons. It's a video game, just play it. Don't get mad at people for also playing it, simply because they want to do things at their own pace.

If you read what I said, I don't take part of that anyway. That doesn't mean I think they don't have a right to play how they want. I especially don't believe that they should be publicly posted about for an entire server to decry. That is explicitly wrong and against the rules.

[IndigoHawk]

As far as I'm concerned, there are two views here: the capitalist, me-me-me, everybody out for themselves, anti-social direction that you are apparently in favor of, or the socialist (dirty word, apparently), colloborative, community-minded, everybody-gets-a-share direction.

Pulling early isn't the same as capitalism vs socialism. The community working together to profit is a combination of capitalism and socialism. Everyone works and everyone profits.

However, pulling early is not capitalism. There is no profit in it. Early pulls give the same rewards, just fewer people get them. The only reason to do it is to be antisocial. If you accidentally pull early, apologize.

If you think the hunts are a challenge or more fun in small groups, get over it. The marks have at most a couple dodge mechanics. They are simple zerg content. Share with others so everyone can profit. And then when people share with you, more profit.