Griefing with an emote

[Panteleon]

People have been banned for dumb stuff like getting kicked from party via vote-kick. Would NOT be surprised if someone got suspended (at minimum) for griefing people. SE caters to crybabies.

I'll be honest, I've done it before to encourage dead people to move on; i.e. they've died and they're waiting around longer than their respawn time to see if the flag gets undefended. As soon as you start a Manderville over their head, they port right out. It's calculated, and by no means malicious (God knows, doing a Manderville assures you're gonna get targeted by the entire alliance on the next wave. Only an idiot would bother doing it to be a punk.).

Also, as a note, a Manderville is uniquely effective for this sort of thing! I had a whole new appreciation for that e-mote when I watched my character doing it. Super effective!

[Shaezerus]

Corpsedancing is so passé. Company Tracers and champagne over the fallen bodies of those who defended their freshly-pillaged outposts have improved my mood in Frontlines considerably and nothing short of running out entirely will stop me. I'm surprised I haven't seen players on other sides do it, personally.

[PotatoTree]

I make sure to emote or sparklers often, it puts the opponents on tilt. We're here to win after all, so every little bit counts.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Corpsedancing is so passé. Company Tracers and champagne over the fallen bodies of those who defended their freshly-pillaged outposts have improved my mood in Frontlines considerably and nothing short of running out entirely will stop me. I'm surprised I haven't seen players on other sides do it, personally.

The champagne thing is actually kinda funny!

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

People have been banned for dumb stuff like getting kicked from party via vote-kick. Would NOT be surprised if someone got suspended (at minimum) for griefing people. SE caters to crybabies.

Your statement is lacking dimension. If it's a matter of people getting vote-kicked without justifiable cause (say, 3 others ganging up and kicking someone JUST BECAUSE), then yes, that's a punishable offense. Beyond that, nobody's getting banned for using things as intended. And taking the hardline, "anyone who complains is a crybaby" stance won win any points here. A lot of times, there are rather valid points behind what someone might otherwise pigeonhole as someone being a "crybaby".

In this particular case, I'd say what I said before: spiking the ball/doing a touchdown dance in itself isn't griefing, but if someone's getting excessive or specifically targeting you repeatedly for it, then yeah, that's going too far.

[Skeet]

Your statement is lacking dimension. If it's a matter of people getting vote-kicked without justifiable cause (say, 3 others ganging up and kicking someone JUST BECAUSE), then yes, that's a punishable offense. Beyond that, nobody's getting banned for using things as intended. And taking the hardline, "anyone who complains is a crybaby" stance won win any points here. A lot of times, there are rather valid points behind what someone might otherwise pigeonhole as someone being a "crybaby".

In this particular case, I'd say what I said before: spiking the ball/doing a touchdown dance in itself isn't griefing, but if someone's getting excessive or specifically targeting you repeatedly for it, then yeah, that's going too far.

I'm sorry of my dimensionless 5 second post offended you =/.

But, thanks for extending it. Didn't feel the need to fully explain it as I thought it to be common sense for everyone.

As for the crybaby comment, it is true that SE does caters to crybabies. Look at how many nerfs EASY dungeons such as AK had. And these echo buffs just because some people can't do instances like Titan HM or the FCoB. While some people may argue that "SE is only adding echo buffs to boost people into doing SCoB and harder content", I find it ridiculous and unnecessary. The real reason SE adds echo buffs for crybabies is so they don't lose a player's $13 or $15 monthly payment. If a person can't beat something over a while, some may quit. I've had a whole FC I knew back when I first started "disappear" because they couldn't complete harder dungeons.

[Gor]

As for the crybaby comment, it is true that SE does caters to crybabies. Look at how many nerfs EASY dungeons such as AK had. And these echo buffs just because some people can't do instances like Titan HM or the FCoB. While some people may argue that "SE is only adding echo buffs to boost people into doing SCoB and harder content", I find it ridiculous and unnecessary. The real reason SE adds echo buffs for crybabies is so they don't lose a player's $13 or $15 monthly payment. If a person can't beat something over a while, some may quit. I've had a whole FC I knew back when I first started "disappear" because they couldn't complete harder dungeons.

which ruins games because it encourages a mass breed of players who don't learn how to play their classes or how to deal with monster mechanics. thus everyone pays for it because we are all then forced to play with baddies game after game after game and get nothing done no matter how high that echo buff is because the problem is the player, not the environment. i can't count the times ive gotten damn near close to the echo cap and still be one of the few men standing on Titan HM because baddies got blown off from Landslide or died to Plumes; had to do so many resses from Plumes that I went oom behind it. the times you want to just play the game solo, you end up getting grouped with these same baddies that jus ruin the game experience altogether.

/done ranting

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

I'd ask you then: What are the hunts really? A mass player boost. (This is both a stark truth and a harsh criticism from someone who largely doesn't care for the hunt.) Now then, allow me to play Devil's Advocate for a moment. You made very good points, but I simply want to give different perspective.

People generally aren't going to play something that's "too hard" especially if they have to pay to play. Now, I'm certainly of the camp that agrees there's not much that's difficult in this game, and even then, with good skills, attention, and even just an okay team, you can conquer it. I liked the harder AK, I actually really enjoy Titan Ex (or anything that requires lots of dodging, and I absolutely love Coil. I loved it when it was "harder" and I love it even more now. Why? Because it's not just a 1% thing anymore. And that's even being within that percentile. More people trying it, more people LEARNING it, and more people even being willing means shorter queue times, more variety of players to run with (I love Coil, but even I need a break sometimes), and less "baddies" so to speak. Like I always say with T5 and up, "Can't burn it if you don't learn it". Nobody's an expert from the jump, and it's foolish to even think it, let alone expect it.

Let's face it: This game has gates. As I'm sure and and all MMO's do. AK may have been one at one time, but it's largely lost its original utility, and now only serves as another step in the initial relic quest line - there's no need to bottleneck players there. Same goes for Titan HM: STILL a challenge, if you're new to it (because Echo is NOT a free pass, if that were true T5 would be just like AK now), but still no longer a necessary gate for players. As more gets added, developers must consider making necessary changes to avoid creating a situation where they create a glass ceiling, that only so few players can get past. Because what happens then is you get your 1% at the top, rookies/newbies/try-outs at the bottom, then one HUGE grey area in the middle where people who aren't brand new/unskilled, but aren't yet hardcore/skilled enough/time-restricted due to life responsibilities just get lost. There's no going back down to the bottom, but then again, there's that glass ceiling. And in that nebulous middle is where you lose people. Newbies/baddies/try-outs that don't want to work harder, and those who WANT to work harder, but just can't get through that ceiling.

The TL;DR of it, basically is: When new content is added, old content needs to be adjusted accordingly, otherwise, it becomes nothing more than an obstruction to what's new (and for all the Atma haters out there, yes, I am aware. And I'm sorry.) And let's face it, if I were a dev, I WANT people to keep playing. Keep getting me paid. On a personal level, try that new thing I created/added to the game. Give me feedback. Let me know what I can fix or do better. Yes, some will tear right through it like it's not even a challenge. Others will spend several subscription cycles trying to get through it. Too hard? Do I (the dev) agree? Bam- it gets adjusted. ADJUSTED. Call it a nerf, call it a buff, call it catering to whiners, but imagine if devs didn't listen or ignored/were oblivious to legit player complaints. . .

. . .Oh wait, that's Atma.

[DustySlippers]

I just read an interesting post on Facebook.

It seems SE has an issue with people dancing on corpses and gives warnings to people who do.

I didn't know I was suppose to be courteous to my opponents who beat me with weapons and such.

Is this really a bad thing?

I use fireworks before I dance on the corpses of my fallen enemies

i find it funny that they issue warnings for such things when they let people freely bot in pvp. I used to hang up a certain bot on a post and record the time of the match to submit it to SE, i did this over 40 times to a specific bot... GM's did nothing about it or any other bot that trolled the wolves den que for weeks at a time 24 hours a day. Hell there's a good chance i will get a warning for even typing the word bot on the forums (I have before, thanks for punishing me for bring up an issue on the forums SE)

[Divinemight]

A discussion thread about tea bagging emerged on JP PvP fourm, I will keep you guys updated if I see any GM response:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...インにおける死体踏みに関して

ps. 4400 views within 24 hours, their PvP community is really much bigger than us.