Sightseeing Log - Its just not happening.

[Tiggy]

Yes, it is a completely 99% useless silly diversion. Many players have never even touched it because it's so superfluous. The ONLY thing you get from it is some achievements and a minion. That's it.

Also, God forbid something in this game isn't immediately doable 100% on demand. The horror!

It's like nothing else in game makes people wait. Oh wait...
Gardening
Botany high end nodes
Mining High end nodes
Fishing certain fish
Various daily allowances
Various weekly allowances
and I'm sure more I'm forgetting

You need more patience.

[Nalien]

I've been arguing with you for the past while (and people like you since its release), I think I have plenty of patience as is.

Also, God forbid something in this game isn't immediately doable 100% on demand. The horror!

Even if you removed all the requirements, it wouldn't be 100% doable on demand. You'd still need to find the locations (something you do by effectively cheating). You'd still need to figure out the jumping. You'd still need to figure out the emote. You'd still need to go back the the quest NPC after completing the first 20 to unlock the rest. And so on, and so on.

Oh, now you're comparing progression/economic content with, in your own words, "silly diversions". Cute.

[Fyce]

It isn't a silly diversion. It isn't something extra to do. Waiting for the Weather NPC to give you the go ahead is neither of those things.

Can you explain why do you think that the Sightseeing Log is not "extra content"?
I'm wondering, because if it's not "extra content/silly diversion", it's therefore "main content/serious stuff".
In which case, I believe that you are missing the point of the purpose of this content and the way it's meant to be completed.

[Turin]

I don't think there is anything wrong with Sightseeing. In fact, it was probably my favorite addition to the game to date. It took me about a 3-4 weeks total after it was released to complete it. Four days to get my last two entries (the two towers in Coerthas). Upon completion, it felt like quite the achievement. Not only that, I built my own web app to help me keep track of my progress because nothing else existed besides a spreadsheet at the time. I meant to release it to the community, but I never got around to making the final few fixes necessary (like mobile display). It's sitting at ffxivsightseeing.com if you want to check it out.

[Nalien]

Can you explain why do you think that the Sightseeing Log is not "extra content"?
I'm wondering, because if it's not "extra content/silly diversion", it's therefore "main content/serious stuff".
In which case, I believe that you are missing the point of the purpose of this content and the way it's meant to be completed.

You've completely missed my point; Do you consider waiting for the bus a silly diversion or extra content in your day? Yes you can listen to music, or check your phone while waiting for the bus, but that is to distract you from the sheer inanity of waiting for the bus. Sitting there, literally just waiting for something, is what Sightseeing is at its core. At least a bus has a time table they rarely keep to, Sightseeing puts you purely in the hands of a RNG.

If Sightseeing was actually something you could do, rather than waiting to do, then it would be extra silly content.

[Tiggy]

You've completely missed my point; Do you consider waiting for the bus a silly diversion or extra content in your day? Yes you can listen to music, or check your phone while waiting for the bus, but that is to distract you from the sheer inanity of waiting for the bus. Sitting there, literally just waiting for something, is what Sightseeing is at its core. At least a bus has a time table they rarely keep to, Sightseeing puts you purely in the hands of a RNG.

If Sightseeing was actually something you could do, rather than waiting to do, then it would be extra silly content.

No. He isn't. What you've done however is fail to answer a simple question and instead disparaged him and provided a strawman instead.

[Fyce]

You've completely missed my point; Do you consider waiting for the bus a silly diversion or extra content in your day?

"The Sightseeing Log is not extra content!"
"Can you explain why? Because if it's not opionnal, it means that it's mandatory..."
"NO! YOU MISSED MY POINT!"

... what?

Besides, comparing the Sightseeing Log to taking the bus is ridiculous.
Taking the bus in something you need in your everyday life. You HAVE TO wait for it because it's MANDATORY for you to be able to move around the town (according that you can't go by foot or by using your own car). But the Sightseeing Log is far from being mandatory. In fact, it's completly the opposite.
Your comparison makes absolutly no sense. And by saying that, you just proved me right: you are taking that content way too seriously and are missing the point of its design.

[axemtitanium]

Jesus, people are still whining about this? I knocked out my Sightseeing log in a week or so a few months ago, and I didn't even have a weather NPC to easymode it. If you don't think it's fun and/or the rewards aren't good enough for you, then don't do it. Just don't complain about it to the people who did enjoy it and argue that it should be taken away because you'll get no sympathy from us.

There's a really huge problem with this "I don't like this thing and therefore you shouldn't either" mentality.

[Nalien]

If you want a direct answer, instead of me explaining the point he missed. No. I don't consider Sightseeing to be content, at all.

Waiting is not content. Waiting is waiting.

I consider the clues, lore and minion to be fun pieces of extra content that have been completely f&cked over by a shameless time sink, a time sink some people seem to want to defend.

Jesus, people are still whining about this? I knocked out my Sightseeing log in a week a few months ago, and I didn't even have a weather NPC to easymode it. If you don't think it's fun and/or the rewards aren't good enough for you, then don't do it. Just don't complain about it to the people who did enjoy it and argue that it should be taken away because you'll get no sympathy from us.

How about the people who did enjoy it and have got their Log filled just avoid these threads, instead? I'll defend my points, if you've already cleared the content I don't really see why you're here or care. The could replace the entirety of the Sightseeing Log with a cutscene of a pink elephant that hands out the minion and it wouldn't effect you.

There's a really huge problem with this "I don't like this thing and therefore you shouldn't either" mentality.

Not what I'm saying at all, but your side of the camp seems to love straw mans, so whatever.

[Tiggy]