Sightseeing Log - Its just not happening.

[Nalien]

I disagree. The problem is not the system at all. The system was designed to take time to complete. The problem is that people (like those in this thread) want to get the completion done within a few days.

Hardly.

I wanted to do Sightseeing at my leisure, because this is a purely option piece of side content in a game. Instead? When I can be bothered to look at the Sightseeing Log and attempt to figure some out, I'm effectively punished for doing side content on the side, instead of scheduling my day around it. It's ridiculous. Instead of working something out and going to tick it off, I have to work something out and wait, and wait, and wait, and wait. It's like the most obtuse scavenger hunt ever.

I wouldn't have blown through it in a day or two either, by the way. The only way someone can manage that is if they use a guide, and the only way someone can sanely complete the damn thing now is if they use a guide. But hey, whats wrong with people blowing through it in a day anyway? Again; It is side content. Do the Hildibrand quests take me weeks to complete? No. Did the Riddles quest take me longer than a day? No. Mail Mog, something which is pretty much a 1:1 comparison to Sightseeing (lore on characters, minion at the end)? No. Sightseeing is the only piece of side content they've done this with, and instead of people getting it done in a few days, they've got people condemning the content and not even bothering, but I'm sure that's a sign that the content is perfectly fine and there are no problems with it, right?

I honestly do not know what is both sadder and funnier, that SE even implemented it like this, or that people still find a way to defend it. Sightseeing is broken and flawed, you can claim that is "just my opinion" if you like, but it is also the opinion of the vast majority of people who actually care about the system, both here and in the other language forums (or it was back at release when I bothered to check). That itself warrants the issue to be addressed.

I am curious as to know what you considered fun about this? How was it fun for you? You enjoyed having to rely on weather conditions? Having to wait for the right weather to go out and then complete these things was fun?

This I wonder as well. No doubt getting an entry is satisfying and fun, but the waiting on the RNG goods to bless you with Rain at 5PM in Eastern Thanalan? I found nothing fun about that, it was frustrating and completely out of my hands. To compare it to another piece of side content, the Riddles quests, that could also be frustrating, but it was frustrating because I couldn't figure out the riddle, not because the game didn't grace me with the right weather at the right time. At this point I don't even feel satisfied on the rare occasion that I do fill out an entry in the Sightseeing Log. There's no more "Yay, I figured it out and got it", just "Finally..." when the planets decide to align.

[Fervid]

I also enjoy fishing in this game which also relies on timing and weather. I'm having a blast catching all the new big fish even though there is pretty much no point to doing so. Why? Because it's just a game. I see you guys stressing so much about this and for what? a minion? seriously? Don't like doing it, then don't do it. Leave the challenging content to those who enjoy these types of challenges. Don't be mad because I'm enjoying it and you think it's broken and flawed. So what. There's lots to do in this game.. go find something better to do with your time.

[Teirshin]

I disagree. The problem is not the system at all. The system was designed to take time to complete. The problem is that people (like those in this thread) want to get the completion done within a few days.

Um, no.

GW2 has Vista's that are much, MUCH better than SE's bastardized version, and while they dont rely on time or weather, they still take a heck of a long time to complete.

See, GW2 makes them tricky to find the path to, so its a lot more exploring, and puzzle solving, whereas SE took it and took that fun right out of it by tying it to things like weather and time and made it yet one more miserable experience.

GW2 did it better, by far, and it took me quite a while there to get them all, even at max level. The exploration factor is far more fun than sitting around going... "Is it raining on the plain in Spain yet at 4:00am?".

[Nalien]

Leave the challenging content to those who enjoy these types of challenges.

Challenging content? Ha!

Oh, I'll admit working out the location can be a challenge, but that is where it stops. I'm fairly sure I've stressed this enough, and you're willingly ignoring it, but waiting is what ruins this content.

Waiting for weather is not a challenge, if you think it is then you're horribly misinformed. The Riddles quests were a challenge, waiting for weather is nothing but a blatant time sink. I'm fairly sure some twisted form of Stockholm Syndrome is keeping you from seeing this; "I put up with it, so it must be fine! right...?"

At least with Fishing you end up with a bag full of Fish for all your (futile if you didn't land the prize) work. At least Fishing in this game is somewhat more true to real life. I'd post another analogy of how ridiculous Sightseeing is, but I've already posted plenty, and you'll probably just ignore this one, too. Fishing, like Sightseeing, is intended to be side content you can do at your leisure; you can sit down and Fish whenever, can you go to a Vista and get a log entry whenever? I'm aware there are some Fish with time/weather requirements, but not every single one of them, fairly sure I said in the previous thread that I'd be OK with some of these Vistas having such requirements (Urth's Fount in Hopelessness should be in the Log dangnabit), just that all of them having it is ridiculousness taken to 11.

[Azper]

I've quit trying this altogether and my life has never been better.

My sentiments exactly. I completed the first 20 entries shortly after they were released... and then promptly realized doing 60 more entries was the most boring, tedious thing I could ever do to myself. You can keep your minion, Square.

[Fizzie]

Sightseeing is never happening for me because they want us to position ourselves in ridiculous places.

[Tiggy]

Seems simple to me.

1. Log in.
2. Check weather NPC or http://na.ff14angler.com/skywatcher/.
3. See that the weather I want for the entry I'm hunting isn't up in the next hour.
4. GO DO SOMETHING ELSE.

Seriously we have this wonderful weather NPC now. There is no reason to be sitting around waiting for anything.

[Nalien]

Seems simple to me.

Just so you know, some of use aren't using a guide, so we can't exactly check the Weather NPC and go down a list of what is and isn't possible. Some of us actually go out and find a Vista before working out the weather (because rarely is the time and/or weather remotely apparent in the clues), and are effectively turned away upon arriving at a Vista.

And yes, I can do something else while waiting for the RNG to grace me with the right time/weather. That's exactly what I do. That's not a complement to the system though, that's just another flaw. Rather than going; "I want to go Sightseeing" and actually going Sightseeing (like I want to), I'm going "I want to go Sightseeing... Nevermind, I'll check back in later when the NPC updates" and doing something completely different for an indeterminate amount of time. The game effectively goes; "You want to do this? <dice roll> Nope, sorry, come back later".

Waiting at the Vista. Waiting at the Weather NPC. Crafting while you wait. It is all still a waiting game. Waiting is the constant in Sightseeing, the variable is where you are/what you're doing while you wait.

[Urielparadox]

If the locations looked visual different during times, and only a few where gaited by times. I could understand this. However many places are inside a cave that doesn't graphicallly change at all based on time of day, or outside where 9 am looks the same as 6 pm.

[Scootaloo]

If only SE had just stuck with the fun explorer formula that GW2 uses for this sort of thing.....

Oh, wait... this is SE.. what was I thinking... ROFLMAO... (They've got to make anything fun into a miserable grind.)

Seriously...go play WoW or something if your so sick and tired of WORKING for your stuff...god.