Hair and Glamour Restrictions

[SinisterIsBack]

Exactly. But what I'm talking about goes beyond hiding your class by wearing something anyone can wear, and going straight into disguising yourself as another class. With the right gear equipped, a WHM with PLD glamours could pass as one.
On its own it isn't a big deal, but shell game tactics will take advantage of it, by having the tank decked out in BLM gear, the healer in brd gear, and the dps in tank gear, it messes with the opposition's initial tactics.
But more realistically, it probably has a lot to do with animation shortcuts and clipping issues.

I cant take this seriously as in pvp it states the class name above the player, and it does so far before you come in range to do anything. So IMO, this excuse is invalid.

Again, that's gear ANYONE can use. I'm talking the class specific gear, such as the very flamboyant and easy to spot BRD gear, or the distinctive WHM robes, or the ugly as sin Scylla gear.
And yes everyone CAN dress up in swimsuits or other identical gear, but that triggers a different reaction than dressing as a different class. If you're wearing "generic caster gear" they'll check your class first. If you're wearing something normally exclusive to a specific class, they're going to make a snap assumption.

IDK what game you've been playing but you seem very ill experienced to frontlines and wolves den considering what you are saying. These "shell tactics" you are talking about mean absolutely nothing. No really, nothing. Simply put, you can see the class of the characters long before you are in range to actually use a skill, so what you are saying is a moot point.

Did you just contradict yourself? Also, the last part is wrong. You can see the character model long before you can see the name plate... oh, but this was said already.

So, now, how about proving why it's silly. YOU and OTHERS don't like it, we get that. Doesn't make it silly. There's a very good reason for it. And, again, SE even talked about this before ARR's launch.

Basically you've given everyone a reason to NOT listen to you at this point. When two entities have differing views or opinions and make an argument over them, you DON'T dismiss the opposing view by effectively saying "you're wrong, i'm right" This is what you do when you call it silly. You may not agree, some may agree with you, some may not. That doesn't make your view the only correct one, and the opposition "silly".

So, again, you might disagree, but there are very valid opinions and reasons why it is. Would you be ok with me calling your view "stupid" because I think, as much as possible, classes/jobs should wear relevant looking gear? No, because your opinion IS valid. It's just NOT the only one.

Point being is you see the name plate long before you are in range to do anything. Sure, you can see the character model first HOWEVER, you see the name plate directly after that and have PLENTY OF TIME to adjust your "shellolol tactics". (why people just don't say strat, strategy, group strat is beyond me. Does "shell tactics" sound cooler??)

What other valid opinion is there to not removing the restrictions on glamour? Because at this point, there really isn't any reason to have all these restrictions.

[Sadana]

I've commented on similar threads before. I don't feel it's right that melee and tanks can wear caster's gear while mage's can't wear melee or tank gear. At least get rid of that restriction. AF gear (as much as I'd LOVE to wear the WVR and ALC coats all the time) should not be able to be worn by any class but the one it's made for, it's too iconic for each class. Other than those, everything should be fair game.

[odintius]

I just want more beard options personnelly

[Vaara]

I agree about the clipping. It's really annoying when you get a new piece of gear only to find out there is horrific clipping with 50% of the hairstyles available. I got a Gloam tabard recently which basically means all the long hair options are out of the window. I'm guessing this would be a nightmare to fix though, so I guess I can just work around it.

As for glamour restrictions, I agree that AF gear should be off limits, but there should be much more freedom. As a Monk I can wear a lot of gathering gear that looks similar to mage stuff, so they might as well let me wear proper mage gear anyway.

[Srar]

I can concede af if they removed other class restrictions but I really feel the justifications for it are silly. If we can call dress up as chocos reindeer or snowmen on any job it shouldn't matter. I understand some people are lazy and don't like reading though. But the class restriction does extremely limited being able to set a solid look for your character. For female characters a large portion of the skirts that look good are af or mage only.

[ispano]

What other valid opinion is there to not removing the restrictions on glamour? Because at this point, there really isn't any reason to have all these restrictions.

As i've said before, in another thread iirc, SE doesn't want people from one job looking like another for the most part. They talked about it before ARR even went into Alpha too. There are exceptions of course, like dated gear and some other things. But for the most part, they don't want "mages in plate" and other such things.

You can say it's not valid, but it most certainly is.

[Srar]

I would like to see this quote before accepting it as canonical fact. Shen's Mail in XI and several of the main scenario NPC s beg to differ with this stance.