People are being cruel to new players

[Serendipitii]

If you don't understand what they are saying why didn't you tell them to explain ?

Because I play on ps4. I didn't have a keyboard at the time. Which made it worse, because they thought I couldn't see what they were writing.. Plus they weren't waiting for me when I did try to type out a message via the in-game keyboard, they just kept going.

[Sassychan]

Because I play on ps4. I didn't have a keyboard at the time. Which made it worse, because they thought I couldn't see what they were writing.. Plus they weren't waiting for me when I did try to type out a message via the in-game keyboard, they just kept going.

Simple fix for no keyboard for ps4, you can use your USB keyboard you're using for your PC.

[Malakhim]

Did you take the time to go through your class quests before you started doing group content, OP?

Did you take the time to really read through the effects of the different abilities you acquire through leveling up before doing group content, OP?

Did you read through ALL the active help windows that would pop up frequently every time you did something new, OP?

Did you also explain to your party that you were new to any given run(you already pointed out you didn't have a keyboard and that you didn't, which is a huge foul)?

If you answered no to any of these questions, then you weren't being a responsible player, and it isn't the group's job to keep you up to speed when you show no indication of being considerate yourself.

MMOs are games of give and take. It's unfair to expect other players to go the extra mile for you(and more often than not they're more than willing to) if you can't do the same. Yes, it's a video game, but the relationships and social contracts are still very real. Once again, it's give and take.

Additionally, the duty finder is the "bottom of the barrel", lowest common denominator of group-finding mechanisms. You're going to find all kinds of players, and there are no rules other than need/greed lotting that are enforced by the game. You're essentially on your own. What I would recommend instead is to use the party finder, which allows you to set parameters for different types of content, including new player runs, no cutscene skipping, etc. Finally, if in situations where players DO engage in nasty harrasment(and they do), you can use the vote kick function(assuming the rest of the party is onboard) or you can report the player, and I guarantee that after enough reports(which particularly toxic players have more than a few usually), that player will change his or her tune. I'm not going to say there aren't asshats out there(that's unfortunately a large theme within the gaming community), and it sucks that you had to go through a nasty experience, but think realistically about what you could have also done to help the situation instead of pinning it on(either rightfully or otherwise) the other group members.

Given that you're a new player I don't expect you to even know about the Party Finder's existence, so I would suggest you look it up.

As another person said, you can't hold the group responsible all the time. Since you never said anything, they might have thought you were screwing with them if you were playing badly and might have been a troll. I'm actually very upset that SE never opted to bundle a keyboard with the console versions of the game, which could have helped to mitigate these communication problems.

[Serendipitii]

If you answered no to any of these questions, then you weren't being a responsible player, and it isn't the group's job to keep you up to speed when you show no indication of being considerate yourself.
Given that you're a new player I don't expect you to even know about the Party Finder's existence, so I would suggest you look it up.

another great example of being rude. And since when does a first time MMO player know that they need to be a "responsible" player, and look stuff up on it? It's a GAME. I repeat a GAME. Like buy, go home, and play. And you missed some parts. I'm not a new player anymore. I've been using the party finder every day, as well as the duty finder. I was just saying that my experience was a bad one and it could have been made better if other people weren't so RUDE.

[ispano]

another great example of being rude. And since when does a first time MMO player know that they need to be a "responsible" player, and look stuff up on it? It's a GAME. I repeat a GAME. Like buy, go home, and play. And you missed some parts. I'm not a new player anymore. I've been using the party finder every day, as well as the duty finder. I was just saying that my experience was a bad one and it could have been made better if other people weren't so RUDE.

None of the questions they asked mentioned ANYTHING external to the game. The things they mentioned are given to you to HELP you, especially new players. Also, yes, when you have to play with other people, you should think about being responsible, even if you are new. All it takes is the simple thought "Oh, I'm playing with other people, maybe I should put some effort in", like, I don't know, just about ANYTHING you do with other people that isn't a game.

I will never say it's right to treat people poorly, but you also shouldn't be just playing the victim card alone, it doesn't help your stance. If you refuse to look at what YOU could have done better and such, things you could of thought about before that happened, then you also have a problem.

An example. Since you don't do any group content til 15, you should notice people talking in the chat window, even if you aren't. You should also realize that there's no voice chat. So the common line of thought should be that you cannot effectively communicate without a real keyboard, since onscreen is too slow.

[Serendipitii]

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There are many reasons why a newbie doesn't know what they're doing. My personal reasons are irrelevant to my original post, I don't understand why everyone is putting my personal reasons in the spotlight. My post was about trying to be helpful rather than hurtful. But if you are wondering so, no I didn't do research, because to me it was just a game that i bought for my birthday, didn't have much time to play so i skipped through a lot of the tutorials and was learning on my own time. i didnt even really know i was getting into a dungeon when it started and suddenly boom there i was with other people, trying my best to figure out why they were all mad. I assumed that I'd be mostly playing solo until i figured out the mechanics at my own pace. It was a game, and i found myself in an awkward situation that could have been less awkward if the people were just nice to me. I was more than willing to learn, but they didn't help.

[Grimmies]

i skipped through a lot of the tutorials

Well then, I would think you brought it upon yourself. In the first dungeon you have very little to do. You should know how all your skills (The very few you have at that point) work by then.

Now, having trouble keeping enmity as a GLD in Sastasha is completely normal, but not knowing what Flash does due to not reading and not listening to the tutorials is you and every newbies own fault.

[Sapphic]

There are many reasons why a newbie doesn't know what they're doing.

But theres many resources they can look up to help themselves, finding more indepth explanations of what to do rather than hoping randoms in DF will explain how to play their role. Players giving advice isn't a necessity or a right, it's a bonus. Why should someone stop and type out what the person could have easily found out beforehand? The info is the same, difference is that it doesn't put expected demands on other players.

Why should you expect randoms in DF to explain something you could have easily found out yourself? Show some initiative. Also theres a difference in "Games" solo player games, you can do what you want, multiplayer games, what you do affects others too. It's upto you if it's positive or negative, being lazy is negative.

just typed in FFXIV ARR guide to tanking and got this:

http://www.xivnation.com/guides/part...nks-tanks-dds/

Seconds to find.

[Malakhim]

in response to Malakhim-- I do fine with other players because I don't mess up anymore. I did fine with the players that actually took the time to help me figure things out. The ones I didn't do fine with were-- you know what. I don't need to explain anything... this isn't even ABOUT me.
this whole post was about new players. I was just giving an example of my first time, and how shitty it felt to be treated so badly for something I didn't even realize I was doing wrong. I didn't realize I was supposed to study up. Many new people don't. I'm just saying we should HELP them, even if they don't ask for help (and be nice, and not condescending about it)
As a healer, I get frustrated as hell with crappy tanks, since I'm the one generating all the enmity.. but I put my big girl pants on and bear with it and offer a piece of advice here and there for them. I don't whine about how they should have studied or should have known, because it's too late, they're already in my party.

And taking the high ground and trying to be helpful is absolutely the best thing to do, but nobody should fault anyone for not choosing to do so, because it isn't their responsibility. We're all playing to have a good time, and everyone has a different idea of what constitutes a good time to them and how much of something they're willing to put up with.

You're right. This isn't about you, but your experience resonates VERY well with the experiences of a lot of new players, specifically the parts where they just skip through all the tutorials that are designed to help them learn their class. Hell, if I never took the time to read through one of my active help windows that popped up some time I hit around lvl.10 on my pugilist, I never would have understood just what greased lightning is and how to properly take advantage of it, as well as positioning myself for best results on different abilities. I would have been a total detriment to my party in any dungeon or raid!

But I DID take the time to do it, which a lot of new players do not, and while the playerbase in general doesn't mind being helpful(even though there are plenty of toxic individuals), they also don't go into games where they're trying to get stuff done to have to teach a potentially obstinate player how to play their class. Some people have other things to do(another thing common in MMOs). Once again, communication is key, and to remove you and your experience out of the equation, it's a problem that many new players have.

[Serendipitii]

in response to Malakhim-- I do fine with other players because I don't mess up anymore. I did fine with the players that actually took the time to help me figure things out. The ones I didn't do fine with were-- you know what. I don't need to explain anything... this isn't even ABOUT me.
this whole post was about new players. I was just giving an example of my first time, and how shitty it felt to be treated so badly for something I didn't even realize I was doing wrong. I didn't realize I was supposed to study up. Many new people don't. I'm just saying we should HELP them, even if they don't ask for help (and be nice, and not condescending about it)
As a healer, I get frustrated as hell with crappy tanks, since I'm the one generating all the enmity.. but I put my big girl pants on and bear with it and offer a piece of advice here and there for them. I don't whine about how they should have studied or should have known, because it's too late, they're already in my party.