Chocobo dyeing R&D Thread - Post your results here!

[MidnightHowler21]

Trying to get Storm Blue from Lavendar Purple. My boyfriend wants his to be Soot Black, but hasn't started anything with it yet, so he's still at the starting color. Tried to use the calculator that's been posted here, but am getting confused. Help!

[Boogalo]

From default, I used 6 plums until I got the first new feathers message then waited 6 hours. This got Sylph Green
Next, I used one plum, and got a new feathers message, I fed it 7 more plums to get another new feathers message, then waited 6 hours. This got Celeste green. http://puu.sh/bcLLS/fa5ca7c2c6.png

Chobo is base level.

[Boomerz]

Hello all, I created a google doc awhile back very similar to the one floating around now in predicting the chocobo colors.

It is very very basic and not fancy but I believe can be utilized to predict chocobo colors with some accuracy. When you click the document, enter the R,G, and B of your current chocobo color and how many fruit you plan on feeding your chocobo. The link is:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=1841660782

The form works by calculating distances between points in 3 dimensional space with minimums and maximums set at 0 and 255, respectively. I treat RED, GREEN, and BLUE as x, y, and z coordinates. As we feed our chocobo different fruits, our position moves around in the space. Every dye that the chocobo can be dyed has a set point in the 3d space, set by the red, green, and blue combination of each dye. As we move, the spreadsheet calculates the distance to the CLOSEST dye.


As we know, feeding each fruit to the chocobo increases/decreases the R, G, and B of your current chocobo color. For this spreadsheet, I use an increase/decrease value of 4. Yes, I know, we don't know the exact science of how a fruit being fed to a chocobo effects the R, G, B, but until we know exactly how SE calculates the effect of each fruit during feeding, this is my estimate.
DISCLAIMERS:

I am basing my calculations on just some assumptions I've read mostly on this forum thread.

The spreadsheet does NOT work well with large numbers of fruit. It does however work well in calculating how, for example, 7 apples will affect your chocobo. Feel free to mess around with the fruit numbers with other peoples experiences to determine its accuracy (or inaccuracy) I use it for when my chocobo says he is growing feathers. I'll enter my current color in up top and then the fruit I entered to help me guess what the result will be. Vice versa, it can be used to estimate if feeding 10 fruit to your chocobo will give you the result you're hoping for.

There is a lot of ironing out to do with the spreadsheet. However, when used in correlation with other spreadsheets created by the members of this forum, it can be useful.

However, there are several accounts from people that I cannot duplicate. Some questions I'm really trying the answer to are:


How does each fruit affect the R,G, and B of the chocobo?

I'm currently under the impression that the fruits have the following effects:
Xelphatol Apple: R(+) | G(-) | B(-)
Doman Plum: R(-) | G(+) | B(+)
Mamook Pear: R(-) | G(+) | B(-)
Valfruit: R(+) | G(-) | B(+)
O'Ghomoro Berry: R(-) | G(-) | B(+)
Cieldales Pineapple:R(+) | G(+) | B(-)

I'm not 100% confident on these effects. Furthermore, I think we can agree that when you feed your chocobo, the effect from a single fruit has some RNG involved. For example, I believe when you feed your chocobo an apple, the result is something like R(+4), G(-2), B(-5). This RNG must be in place because of all the account of people getting such variable results from feeding just berries to their chocobo from Desert Yellow. However, this brings me to my next question.

Based on the current R,G,B value, how does SE determine what dye your chocobo should be?

I believed I had some good hypothesis, but there is one result I just simply cannot duplicate. There are multiple account of people feeding an enormous amount of apples to their chocobo and the result is always Blood Red. Using the effects on R,B,G from the fruits above, a large supply of apples will always have the same result, that is (255/0/0).

I cannot mathematically determine how this R,B,G (255/0/0) combination chooses the dye Blood Red. I've tried calculating minimum distances to the points in a 3D cartisian system. I've tried summing the absolute value of the differences between the R,B,G values of every dye. No matter what I try, I cannot get Blood Red to be the foremost dye that should be chosen for an ungodly amount of apples.

The last question I'm trying to find the answer for, just out of curiousity is...

Does stable condition affect the potency of the fruits fed to the chocobo?

For example, does a poor condition stable cause fruits to have less effect on your chocobo, and vice versa with good conditions?

Either way, there must be some mathematical way to determine how fruit will change our chocobo colors ... right?

[Evanni]

We're lots closer now at least, try with 2 apples and 4 pears.

Going off what you said I had another look in the Calculator.. If what I've managed to come up with doesn't work I'm going to cry.
Seriously look how close to the target it its!! Lol

[Rorichan]

So, I finally got a stable for my FC and my fruits are in so dyeing time for my chocobo Frobisher! I will update as I go along.

(copied from my post in the experimentation thread)

I am working off of this diagram since the calculator that's going around is REALLY confusing to me.

Here's what I have so far:

Starting colour: Desert Yellow
Aim colour: Rolanberry Red
Rank: 3

First feeding
5X Apples
3X 'new feathers' message
Anticipated result: Sunset Orange
Actual Result: Millioncorn Yellow

Second feeding
5X Apples
1X 'new feathers' message
Anticipated result: Pumpkin Orange
Actual Result: ((unknown))

[Aura_Shurifon]

...Lot's of interesting stuff....
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=1841660782
...Lot's of interesting stuff....

I have come to the same result as you on this bloody blood red ! This doesn't make sense. I tryed using percentage instead of strict value (even if there's a bit of rng) to no avail.

My final guess is each fruit (or just one type, deepen or lighten) does not just add or substract color, but "converge" to a color, in the case of red, it would be something like blood red. Meaning if you over feed your bird with apple, you won't be at 255,0,0 but something like 150,50,50 (or directly blood red...)

This is the only logic possibility i can imagine. If not, i'm out of idea >__<

[LunaMiyu]

I am stuck in a regal purple loop. My aim is to get Currant Purple. Here is how my experiment has gone so far (stable condition always "Good"):

step 1 - Start Desert Yellow

2 apples - 1 message

1 apple - 1 message

1 apple - 1 message

1 apple - 1 message

= millioncorn yellow


Step 2 -

8 apples - message


= pumpkin orange



Step 3 -

11 apples - message


= sunset orange


step 4 -

11 apples - message

= blood red


step 5 -

6 berries - message


= dalamud red


Step 6 -

15 berries - message

= rolanberry red


step 7 -

1 pear - message


= regal purple


step 8 -

1 berry - message


= rolanberry


step 9 -

1 pear - message

= regal


Step 10 -

2 berries - message

= ?


According to the charts, feeding pears SHOULD have brought it from Rolanberry Red to Grape Purple. However, I am stuck in a Rolanberry Red/Regal Purple Loop. Any ideas? Thanks in advance. S

[Boomerz]

I have come to the same result as you on this bloody blood red ! This doesn't make sense. I tryed using percentage instead of strict value (even if there's a bit of rng) to no avail.

My final guess is each fruit (or just one type, deepen or lighten) does not just add or substract color, but "converge" to a color, in the case of red, it would be something like blood red. Meaning if you over feed your bird with apple, you won't be at 255,0,0 but something like 150,50,50 (or directly blood red...)

This is the only logic possibility i can imagine. If not, i'm out of idea >__<

I'm going to do some testing on the results from a million of each fruit (the extreme colors) to see if I can determine what these converging values are. Do you by any chance know the dyes resulting from a ton of each color? For example, the blood red with apples and I think royal blue with berries. I don't know the rest though.

[kgbrown247]

so i am stuck on royal blue, I have followed a few charts and instructions on my journey to get soot black (feed berries, pears, or apples, and finishing with pineapple) but I always end up with regal purple or back at royal blue . any advise or tips?

[Amicus]

From default, I used 6 plums until I got the first new feathers message then waited 6 hours. This got Sylph Green
Next, I used one plum, and got a new feathers message, I fed it 7 more plums to get another new feathers message, then waited 6 hours. This got Celeste green. http://puu.sh/bcLLS/fa5ca7c2c6.png

Chobo is base level.

For reference, I did the same thing to try and get white. I fed it the lightening blue hue fruit 2 twice to get the new feather message to get Snow White as a result. Hope this helps others.