Combat Gameplay - Ninja

[Radacci]

Making a secret society public is breaking lore as well, so i'm asking for no sense if more no sense is added.

Don't get me wrong, i think it would be a bad idea having it locked after story, if i haven't tried WoW enough it's because i couldn't be death knight or w/e it was called from the start, but it's the lore they have created, if they can change it to made nin available from the start then they can make primal shape summons w/o being primals, ppl have asked for this, and some left the game because of this, it's the same situation, again this is not about the ugliness of the egis, i'm just saying they already said "no because of lore."

Oh, so figuring out stuff about the ascians, is breaking lore too?
It's not really *secret* since Thancred was in it, and all the other scions knew about it, as well as limsa officials.

I have a few thoughts on this. First off the lore would not fit if you could start the game as Rogue class...if the guild was secret then it is still secret until you get to that point in the story. I can see them doing something crazy and letting people do it though to drive new players though (bad idea in my opinion). They really need to lock this behind story as "good for the game" to limit how many Ninjas are running around (there is going to be enough of us already). Ninja needs to be a reward for those of us that have put in the work and progressed to that point...it should not be a "Give Me" job and not earned. I really think what ever the cross classes are you should also have to have those Jobs to 50 to tightened it up even more. I really hope that they implement this Job the right way and don't mess it up.

If you're a new player, and start as rogue, you're coming from the guild, regardless if anyone else knows of it's existence. or ppl in rogue guild wouldn't be in the rogue guild, cause it's a secret, so they couldn't know about it...
And what's so special about Ninja, that you need to gate it, when no other class/job is? why would ninja be a reward, but not sch/smn?
i know it's a bit of a mess to make it available from the start, cause of 2.2 story, but i'm sure they have something in place, that will make sense. ppl have been complaining about other stuff, that didnt make sense, but then it was implemented, and it made sense, and everyone stopped complaining...will be same here. Rog/Nin will be available from the start, and it will make sense
Why would SE want to limit how many play Nin? if they developed it, they obviously want ppl to try it out.

[Renik]

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It's lore breaking, it can be changed, the same way egi shape could be changed , but SE decided not to do it, it is possible but SE should keep their mind or change it for everything.

Edit, forgot a part, i have the same opinion about ROG not being lorebreaking if you start being part of the guild, but nin is lore breaking before 2.4, and we know a lvl 50 class w/o job crystal can be gimp.