Chocobo dyeing R&D Thread - Post your results here!

[MomomiMomi]

Thank you for that explanation Syrehn. Nicely worded.

Raka, if that's how it worked, then you wouldn't be able to get such deep blues by simply feeding berries.

[Syrehn]

Thank you for that explanation Syrehn. Nicely worded.

Raka, if that's how it worked, then you wouldn't be able to get such deep blues by simply feeding berries.

This. I can't stress this enough. If it worked how you think Raka, it would be impossible to achieve some of the Chocobo colours that people have reported with only a single fruit type (i.e. lighten red or darken red); they require modifications to the other hue values.

[RakaMaimhov]

Thank you for that explanation Syrehn. Nicely worded.

Raka, if that's how it worked, then you wouldn't be able to get such deep blues by simply feeding berries.

Sure you can, as the red and green already present contribute to the overall saturation of color. Blue is the predominant shade, but the others haven't been removed. Bleach a chocobo down to pure white then add only blue and you'll get a different shade of blue than if you added only blue starting from the default color.

I have not seen any evidence that proves otherwise. I've seen quite enough (white chocobos) that prove against the theory you are arguing.

[MomomiMomi]

Sure you can, as the red and green already present contribute to the overall saturation of color. Blue is the predominant shade, but the others haven't been removed. Bleach a chocobo down to pure white then add only blue and you'll get a different shade of blue than if you added only blue starting from the default color.

I have not seen any evidence that proves otherwise. I've seen quite enough (white chocobos) that prove against the theory you are arguing.

Those white chocobos were not produced by simply feeding large amounts of one fruit at a time. And where's the black? It's extremely easy with the system you're suggesting. Merely deepen all three, one color at a time, and there you have it. Yet... nobody's produced this black. Why?

[blueruckus]

Yet... nobody's produced this black. Why?

Here's the problem with black and white.

White is easy. You just add a lot of the LIGHTENS color fruits. Snow White on the RGB scale is all + all RGB and there isn't another dye color anywhere near it.

Soot Black, however, isn't a true true black so it isn't as easy as just "MINUS ALL THE COLORS!!". Ink Blue, Deepwood Green, and Kobold Brown are all in the same value range as Soot Black, where Ink Blue is actually the lowest in terms of RGB value (which is why it actually looks darker than Soot Black). Another difficult part of obtaining Soot Black is that while the LIGHTEN snacks all do +color, the DEEPEN snacks do what seems to be + primary color and - on the other 2. So it's a more complex balancing act in comparison to going White.

[Ravenguard]

Here's the problem with black and white.

White is easy. You just add a lot of the LIGHTENS color fruits. Snow White on the RGB scale is all + all RGB and there isn't another dye color anywhere near it.

Soot Black, however, isn't a true true black so it isn't as easy as just "MINUS ALL THE COLORS!!". Ink Blue, Deepwood Green, and Kobold Brown are all in the same value range as Soot Black, where Ink Blue is actually the lowest in terms of RGB value (which is why it actually looks darker than Soot Black). Another difficult part of obtaining Soot Black is that while the LIGHTEN snacks all do +color, the DEEPEN snacks do what seems to be + primary color and - on the other 2. So it's a more complex balancing act in comparison to going White.

This is right... kinda. Just like the DEEPEN'er fruits that give + to one color and - to the other two colors, the LIGHTEN'er fruit works as its polor opposite.

If you go by color values, Ink Blue is indeed deeper than Soot black in terms of values being closer to zero. To achieve Soot Black, you'd need to feed the Chocobo a number off all three Deepen'er fruits (that give + to one color, and - to the other two). That will transform your bird into the Ink Blue, which then you'd need to feed it a very few trio of the Lighten'er fruits, which will raise all the values evenly up to the values which match closer to Soot Black.

[blueruckus]

This is right... kinda. Just like the DEEPEN'er fruits that give + to one color and - to the other two colors, the LIGHTEN'er fruit works as its polor opposite.

If you go by color values, Ink Blue is indeed deeper than Soot black in terms of values being closer to zero. To achieve Soot Black, you'd need to feed the Chocobo a number off all three Deepen'er fruits (that give + to one color, and - to the other two). That will transform your bird into the Ink Blue, which then you'd need to feed it a very few trio of the Lighten'er fruits, which will raise all the values evenly up to the values which match closer to Soot Black.

I don't think you'd need to feed it a Pineapple to go from Ink to Soot because the blue level of soot is lower than ink. I'm trying something right now and will know in about an hour.

[Ravenguard]

I don't think you'd need to feed it a Pineapple to go from Ink to Soot because the blue level of soot is lower than ink. I'm trying something right now and will know in about an hour.

The idea is to feed it a trio of all LIGHTEN'ers. Since each LIGHTEN'er gives a plus to two colors while a minus to the third, by feeding all three LIGHTEN'ers, you would effectively be giving two boosts (++) to all three colors (3 pluses and 1 minus). That would raise the values of all three evenly. The very low values of Ink Blue (22R 26G 34B) would raise slightly into the Soot Black range (37R 35G 30B).

As I reread this post, I do realize what you mean. You wouldnt want to raise the BLUE value too much, however, I assume if the values to trigger a specific color fall into a "range" (Such as 35-40R and so on) you'd be in the Soot Black value range.

[RakaMaimhov]

Those white chocobos were not produced by simply feeding large amounts of one fruit at a time. And where's the black? It's extremely easy with the system you're suggesting. Merely deepen all three, one color at a time, and there you have it. Yet... nobody's produced this black. Why?

MY white chocobo was produced by feeding a lot of valfruit, followed by a lot of pineapple, followed by a lot of plums, followed by a few more of each to finish it out.

Perhaps in time I will experiment with black, but I bet someone will get it before that.