Tired of This Sh*t SE (SCH, Keep the nerfs don't care) But..

[Gor]

I can do about 5x as healing with the same gear on WHM as I could in SCH.

Of course, because its a different playing style. WHM specializes in raw heals, SCH specializes in absorbing damage.SCH was never meant nor intended to do the same amount of healing nor even come close to it as a WHM. when I heal on WHM I do 1700+, when I heal on SCH its about half that, around 1k-ish. working as intended. And please I hope you're not going by the scoreboard on FL because 1) that counts overhealing which WHM does a ton of and it doesn't recognize damage absorption at all. now if SE made it so the scoreboard didn't count overhealing and counted absorptions, you may find WHM and SCH around similar or at least competitive numbers.

SCH was weak to begin with, very weak. With bad fairy AI (Micromanging? Plz), weak heals, and weak mitigation it was a joke.

/munches popcorn

Now you're talkin crazy talk. I disagree that SCH was weak to begin with, at least as far as pvp was concerned. Eos was nerfed at the beginning of pvp and I believed she should have been because she was a pretty much a walking benediction. She did a shit ton of healing when in attunement. If I could find my old videos of me in the early days of pvp, you would see me going into Attunement and Eos healing me from near 0 to full in less than 2 seconds before she got nerfed. I do agree that the management of Eos is horrid.She doesn't cast spells even when spamming her abilities because she queues spells and if you have more than 1 person who is less than 80% hp on your team, even if your spamming her CDs, she will ignore you and continue casting embrace. On top of if she is moving she also doesnt cast spells either. So yes, pet management in this game in general is horrid. the worst I've ever seen in all the games I've played a pet in. and I'm not even going to begin talking about all the times in Wolves Den where she has gotten stuck behind a wall and just sat there until she was done doing whatever she was doing.

all in all SCH i wouldn't say it is a strong class, but it certainly isn't weak either. its just a harder class to play because you have to deal with fail pet management and no defensive moves.

[Hailie]

if you are a Scholar and you cant outplay DRG, BRD, MNK, PLD or WAR in 1 v 1 situation, you got a serious issue.

I just had to make a comment on this, Healer wether it's WHM or a SCH will have a hard time 1 v 1 against a MNK or DRG because of Fetter Ward and Weapon Throw! I have SCh and WHM leveled I mainly play WHM in FL and Wolf Den, I spend most of my time staying away from DRG and MNK because of those 2 Abilities. When they use Fetter Ward Ability I cant Repose, Fluid Aura or use Stone to get them off of me... and when they use Weapn Throw I get Slowed then jumped.. I have to go into 911 mode in order to remove that slow and to get away. And it would be Absolutely Stupid for ANY healer to try and 1v1 a War unless you like to be Stun locked topped off with a Fulls Swing. It is NOT easy to play a healer at ALL in pvp. I am not complaining here at all abut the abilities that other classes use against us Healers but it is very clear you don't either.

[Titor]

Or, you know, you could just be a better WHM than SCH in PvP. Which is the far more likely truth, since SCH have been competing with WHM fine pretty much since the start of FL.

Just because you're doing better at one class than another does not definitely mean that the latter is weak.

Not just me in particular, but the scoreboards. I can start gathering screenshot evidence of it, but I usually see schs around 100k-150k healing, whereas whms are around 300k-500k. Even if we consider SCH's shield (which is usually basically doubling their healing), SCH's would only be around 200k-300k in healing/migitation, assuming they never used lustrate or physick or healed with their fairy. And yes schs can overheal too, just like whms. Especially if they are spamming succor or whatnot, so since both classes overheal I can just count overhealing in the mix.

[Gor]

Not just me in particular, but the scoreboards. I can start gathering screenshot evidence of it ...[stopped reading]

the scoreboard is inaccurate. you see WHMs at 300-500k healing because they are spamming Medica IIs of which the scoreboard keeps counting the ticks when everyone is at full hp.

Even if we consider SCH's shield (which is usually basically doubling their healing), SCH's would only be around 200k-300k in healing/migitation

did you pull these numbers out of your .... how do you even know this or you just making it up because you think it sounds good?

And yes schs can overheal too, just like whms. Especially if they are spamming succor or whatnot, so since both classes overheal I can just count overhealing in the mix.

um no. nothing like WHMs can. if any SCH is spamming Succor, they need to just delete their character. both the heal and the galvanize for it are crap and could never sustain the hp of an entire group like WHM Medica II can.
To put it in perspective for you, in ilvl100 gear, it only heals for 350ish so in ilvl80 synced FL, it will do much less. that is not enough healing to sustain any group.
In ilvl100 gear, the initial hit from Medica II is 500ish, with 130ish ticks for the next 30 seconds, so in ilvl80 it will be less. but just from the initial Medica II hit, the WHM has already healed almost as much as two Succors and can run around while it still ticks as the SCHs has to keep recasting and get interrupted in most cases.

So no, SCHs overhealing is nothing like WHM healing ... by leaps and bounds.

[Divinemight]

Hmmmm... what happened to my post and that guy's post? I was going to explain why I said Scholar should win in 1 v 1 agaisnt MNK and DRG but found my original post disappeared.

[Koltik]

Hmmmm... what happened to my post and that guy's post? I was going to explain why I said Scholar should win in 1 v 1 agaisnt MNK and DRG but found my original post disappeared.

That was on the other thread...

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/f...188168/?page=2

[Divinemight]

That was on the other thread...

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/f...188168/?page=2

No it is this one, because I was in middle of editing my response.

[Gor]

Hmmmm... what happened to my post and that guy's post? I was going to explain why I said Scholar should win in 1 v 1 agaisnt MNK and DRG but found my original post disappeared.

[Zyphione]

I think Scholars are more or less fine for now (after being able to finally test things out in WD and FL). The gameplay in WD does become harder when someone is PB dispelling and silencing during burst windows but it does make the class force the player to react properly instead of on reflex. (like how most people instantly purify the moment sleep debuffs them)

I don't agree with the person who's saying SCHs are weak or not as good, they are just different. I do agree that Eos is a little silly (she is a fairy), but the only change I would ask if I had to is that we can control her when CC'd or attuned.

If that change was made, it would create more threads in this section!

[Hailie]

I think Scholars are more or less fine for now (after being able to finally test things out in WD and FL). The gameplay in WD does become harder when someone is PB dispelling and silencing during burst windows but it does make the class force the player to react properly instead of on reflex. (like how most people instantly purify the moment sleep debuffs them)

I don't agree with the person who's saying SCHs are weak or not as good, they are just different. I do agree that Eos is a little silly (she is a fairy), but the only change I would ask if I had to is that we can control her when CC'd or attuned.


If that change was made, it would create more threads in this section!

Yes more threads from people complaining about fairy being controlled while SCH is attuned lol, There will always be some form of complaining. *omgad!! SE just made it harder to kill SCH! they can control Fairy! *sarcasm*