So how about that Materia and the Market....

[givemeraptors]

You cannot and do not need to meld any iL100+ gear. If you are talking about SB'g DoH/L gear while in a dungeon, then you are looking at a possible exploit.

I can't tell if you're intentionally trolling...

But you do need materia for Novus weapons.

Bingo. People have been talking about Animus/Novus for months...

[Urthdigger]

You have other options of weapons besides Novus. The point being made is that if you're not a crafter, you don't actually really need gil.

[Nutz]

It's not as though crafters innately make a lot of gil. You can make just as much running dungeons only there's less risk. The price of crafted armor is largely dictated by the price of materials which are generated pretty much exclusively through combat content. The cost of gathered materials is pretty low. The only expensive ones are bought with myth/ drop from maps/ drop from dungeons/ bought with seals.

[givemeraptors]

You have other options of weapons besides Novus. The point being made is that if you're not a crafter, you don't actually really need gil.

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Yes, and those other options are also optional. So yes, I do "need" that gil if I choose to get that weapon. If not to buy materia outright, than to buy gear to spiritbond and convert into materia. You may as well say that we don't "need" Sands of Time or Unidentified Allagan Tombstones.

[Urthdigger]

This whole thread reeks of entitlement. I mention how there's other options, you whine "but I want THIS one!" Heck, the thread started with "crafters have an advantage. I want that advantage but hate crafting. Give it to me anyway."

[AttacKat]

I can't tell if you're intentionally trolling...

Far from it.

The OP blames crafters as the cause for SE to make it harder for DoW/M to SB gears in dungeons, and I am simply pointing out that DoW/M does not need any gil to get BiS gears, while crafters MUST rely on DoM/W to get their gears; all I pointed out was SE has always made it easy to obtain BiS gear for DoW/M, but we cannot say SE has done the same for for crafters.

Fact still holds:
DoW/M can get BiS w/o any gil, while crafters MUST meld their gears, and must depend on DoW/M to obtain its BiS.

[skaterger]

I have to side with crafters on this one. I have all dow/dom to 50 but only one doh to 50. Yet at no point did I feel unable to progress without a doh. This is just a small way of throwing crafters a bone.

[Lagomorph]

I'll tell you one thing...the gil sellers are 10x more tempting now. I've never bought from them before, but not even a single day passed and the materia I need is up 150k. This is some BS

[Gilthas]

I'm not really sure why crafters are getting blamed here.

You're complaining about the materia for Novus? There are alternative i110 weapons that are far easier and faster to get than a Novus. The best weapons in the game (i115) are dungeon drops.

Armor? Again, the best armor comes from dungeons.

Regardless, it's not like there's anything preventing you from leveling a DoH and getting "rich".

[darkstarpoet1]

it's funny. people cry about the cost of crafted gear, but they have no issues with throwing up things like tawney latex at 50k each. the cost of the gear produced will be directly affected by the cost of the materials to make things.

the point is the dungeon folks are making their gil on the front end and the crafters are making the gil on the back end. both groups are making gil unless you expect that 1k you get from clearing a dungeon to cover a piece of gear that cost 500k to make without doing anything else to make that gil.