Is dying reason to be votekicked ?

[Tigerclaw]

Poor performance is reason enough to be kicked. DRG's in DEX gear, WAR's in STR gear (without enough VIT to cover the difference), BRD's in STR gear, SCH's in INT gear... These are bad players, and while I agree you should be able to wear whatever ou want to on your own time, when you are in a group you are forcing other people to pick up your slack, especially if your gear ilvl is so low you can't get into the raid without equipping 2 Hero's rings, one of which is useless to your role.

I am not elitist, nor do I have much respect for elitists, but on the flip side of that you need to carry your own weight, or you deserve to be kicked for imposing your weakness on other players.

[Kiara1]

I dont think that anyone should be able to kick someone for dying a lot.
In ST I sometimes just try to do all I can to get my tp to 0 as my monk (not using any aoe attacks) cause Ive done the dungeon sooo many times that I need to find ways to enjoy myself. And well sometimes Im too into it and forget about the aoes or ancient flare or whatever. And it would be really unfair to kick me for something like that.
Luckily no ones ever said anything.

Sorry for bad spelling im tyoing on my phone and it sucks

[Zyrusticae]

I have not seen any interpretation of the rules where playing poorly on its own constitutes a valid reason. A lot of emphasis is made on the phrase 'refusal', not 'inability'.

This is extremely important.

Again, simply not being very good at their job is NOT a valid reason for dismissal. They have to be intentionally doing it in bad faith for it to be a legitimate kick, otherwise it's abuse.

As for

Seen lots of people vote kicked for being bad and never seen punishment for it, seems like a fine reason.

It's also worth pointing out that a lot of players don't bother reporting these kinds of things. That doesn't make the behavior acceptable.

[Risvertasashi]

I dont think that anyone should be able to kick someone for dying a lot.
In ST I sometimes just try to do all I can to get my tp to 0 as my monk (not using any aoe attacks) cause Ive done the dungeon sooo many times that I need to find ways to enjoy myself. And well sometimes Im too into it and forget about the aoes or ancient flare or whatever. And it would be really unfair to kick me for something like that.
Luckily no ones ever said anything.

Sorry for bad spelling im tyoing on my phone and it sucks

I kind of feel like we're not getting the whole story though. In his post he wrote "because I wasn't getting heals"... that's an excuse I hear a lot from DPS (mostly DRGs :S) that stand in cleaves, AoEs, and otherwise fail to dodge or use things like B4B at inopportune moments. For example, in front of Asclepius or Twintania, or B4B during the enrage of T2... Or a more ST-specific example, not standing in levi circles or running off to be with a different party in the alliance, etc.

If he was dying tons and trying to foist blame off to the healers, I could easily see that backfiring, especially if it's a partial premade. (My statics definitely stood up for me when an underperformer did that, nice change from pugs).

[SarcasmMisser]

It's also worth pointing out that a lot of players don't bother reporting these kinds of things. That doesn't make the behavior acceptable.

The burden of proof is really not on me though, what other players think is acceptable is not proof and not at all relevant.

[Merylx]

As some people have said, being dismissed because you are a bad player isn't a legitimate reason to be kicked in my opinion - especially not in content like ST. Saying that, I would rather be partied up with someone who died and died, than someone who is rude, obnoxious; someone who is bringing the group down vocally.

[Ecks007]

In my opinion if you are constantly dying, you are not pulling your weight in the party. You are not adding adequate dps/heals/lolmeatshield enough and other people are carrying you because you can't stay alive long enough to be of any use = a kick. You aren't worth the space you are occupying in that party at that point. Your detriment is unnecessary, unneeded, and unwanted. Yes, you will be kicked and you should practically expect to be kicked if you are being a waste of space. At this point you are only slightly better than someone who is afk or has permanently disconnected.

[ElHeggunte]

I dont think that anyone should be able to kick someone for dying a lot.
In ST I sometimes just try to do all I can to get my tp to 0 as my monk (not using any aoe attacks) cause Ive done the dungeon sooo many times that I need to find ways to enjoy myself. And well sometimes Im too into it and forget about the aoes or ancient flare or whatever. And it would be really unfair to kick me for something like that.
Luckily no ones ever said anything.

Sorry for bad spelling im tyoing on my phone and it sucks

If you're repeatedly dying to easily avoidable damage it's well within the party's right to remove you. You aren't contributing if you're always dead.

[Risvertasashi]

In my opinion if you are constantly dying, you are not pulling your weight in the party. You are not adding adequate dps/heals/lolmeatshield enough and other people are carrying you because you can't stay alive long enough to be of any use = a kick. You aren't worth the space you are occupying in that party at that point. Your detriment is unnecessary, unneeded, and unwanted. Yes, you will be kicked and you should practically expect to be kicked if you are being a waste of space. At this point you are only slightly better than someone who is afk or has permanently disconnected.

Not slightly better. Worse. An AFK or disconnected player isn't a 700+266(c2)+133(c1)+266(prot) (maybe another 266 for stoneskin) MP drain on the healer. And that's only res and post-res healing, not damage taken due to other avoidable attacks.

[Krr]

The burden of proof is really not on me though, what other players think is acceptable is not proof and not at all relevant.

Precisely! The personal opinions of players demanding that others 'pull their weight' even in this very thread is not relevant. Public opinion on what the vote dismiss system should be used for, as a whole, is not relevant. Vote-dismissing someone due to inability is not permitted by the rules as written and stated. Whether or not it is moral to you or your group is irrelevant; the system permits you to file a report and have a GM review the situation.

The ToS is not a democracy. The ToS will be interpreted as the GMs as they see fit and necessary for a situation at hand to identify victims and prevent abuse in the community. Whether the ToS and the GMs fit this bill is up to debate; personally, the only unjustified long-term bans I have ever seen are the horror stories of players being hacked and put through month-long investigation tribunals for mysterious men who they can't talk to in the company to determine their true identity.

The rest I've personally seen are "Waah! I was an elitist jerk in Duty Finder and talked about my parser in public and this guy reported me for it! Now I can't play for a week! How will I maximize my High Allagan now?"