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    I am not an idiot and I can see plainly that there is a RED ICON that states DPS next to my Brd Symbol. Please do not insult my intelligence with your Nasty remarks

    Being a solo player I have been in a lot of pick up groups. I don't play with any group of people regularly. So for the most of my experiences "Mages Ballad" is a common occurrence in my parties. "Army's Paeon" I have used in group that use a lot of "AOE" to clear a wave of trash mobs. I HAVE used my lvl 3 limit break to Raise two healers and a tank while fully healing my OT that was an instance oh shit button. It is part of my job I get that. (I FEEL LIKE A SUPPORT more then a DPS) my mnk is 30 as is my dragoon at this point. I do not know the DATA on DPS output.

    THE GAME CLASSIFIES INTO 3 and ONLY 3 categories. TANK/DPS/HEALER THERE IS NOT DEDICATED SUPPORT CLASS. Thank you captain obvious for point that out to me cause I didn't quite get it from playing from version 1 beta till now. THANKS appreciate that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RinchanNau View Post
    I will point out an obvious one since I recently switched to SMN main. Battle res lowers SMN DPS. In an extended fight you may be forced to use more energy drains instead of fester if you need to res. And if you don't have swiftcast up for it that is another major DPS loss.
    I feel that SMN could be redefined into a support category in the future. With the possibility of having more summon pets that use Avatar favor as buffs for there party.

    Do you plan on adding buffer or debuffer roles?

    At the moment we plan on continuing with the three current roles: tank, DPS, and healer. If we added more roles to these three, it would become more complicated to decide which job fits into which role, and I believe new players will be joining the game in 3.0 so we don't want to make it difficult for them to understand. For the time being we would like to keep the number of roles as it is as we move forward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Black91CRX View Post
    If you aren't singing, you aren't doing your job. That's my opinion on it.

    If you're always singing, you don't know how to do your job.
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    Yoshi P and his team where asked that second part as a question in LIVE with the producers.

    Mainly asking
    Redmage; Corsair; Dark Knight; Blue mage and so much much more
    some other classics from the final fantasy genre of jobs all the way back to tactics and final fantasy 2.

    If they come out with Ranger as job in the future. I would think it would piggy back off Archer DPS and add in more DPS skills for the job instead of Support style skills like brd. this is just speculation. this is all things that have been going through my mind since day one.

    I started playing here in 14 after coming from 11 I know this is not 11 and I Like the way that they presented bard. who knows what the future will bring maybe they will even add in more songs for brd in the future. again speculation. HASTE song. HP regen to help with healing in long fights. or resistances. I DON'T know. I always have an eye on the future of the game. and I am excited to see what they have in store for us.
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    If you want discuss the future of Bard sure but that's a different thing to what they are now. You may feel like a support but the dev team say otherwise.

    Well Haste song is a definite no, Yoshi has already said they won't give haste to the players. Resistances are a SCH thing I don't think they'll give it to BRDs, HP regen already exists in the form of Medica II. I mean all well and good that you have ideas but until they actually make Hybrid role a thing (it isn't atm), there won't be classes that have more than a few select 'support' skills.

    I brought up mnk earlier as dragon kick reduces the damage dealt by int based skills form the boss, which if I remember correctly is most castable things. Mantra increases healing done by 20% and almost every raid fight has an ideal moment for Mantra whereas that isn't so for bard songs. So Monk in current system has more utility than bard song, it still doesn't make them a hybrid or support for that matter. Could they be in the future? Sure, just not now, and not soon. Since 3.0 is a good 6 months away and we know it isn't happening there either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hybris-Maenad View Post
    Look at all of the descriptions of your skills, abilities and cc skills. THAT is a bard.

    Look at the color of your placeholder in a party, red. THAT is your job.

    You do have the unique ability to top off mp and tp to bad groups that need it (outside of very select instances in coil). In 95% of content, proper cooldown usage and the ability to dodge avoidable damage will leave bards with nothing else to sing but foes.

    I see the LB as an act of balancing classes. It increases the desirability to bring in melee classes in high movement fights and gives the party a slight chance to recoup when both healers die.

    Bard has some "Oh S***" abilities, but that's only for parties that are s*** to begin with.
    so parties that ask for peons or mages during t8 are "s***". glad to know that the small % of the playerbase that can make it to a fight others cant are still "s***" /sarcasm
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    Paeon is really just for physical DPS ePeen. It's not necessary at any point to down t8. And unless you're running with 4 physical DPS it's probably better to use Foe's for your casters.

    Ballad shouldn't really be needed either but if your healers DO need it or just died then by all means.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RinchanNau View Post
    Paeon is really just for physical DPS ePeen. It's not necessary at any point to down t8. And unless you're running with 4 physical DPS it's probably better to use Foe's for your casters.

    Ballad shouldn't really be needed either but if your healers DO need it or just died then by all means.
    Manasong (Mages ballad) is used during overcures, enraged coils for example.
    And Foes is usually used after i've depleted 1500tp (base+invigorate) so the dps'y whm can finish off large pull groups with holy spam.

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    woops, i missed that you were specifically talking about t8.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Squa11_Leonhart View Post
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    woops, i missed that you were specifically talking about t8.
    indeed. there are other fights where I may ballad if required. Not that it matters currently since I don't run on BRD anymore. But in t5 you may want to ballad or paeon during the first set of divebombs when there is down time. Or after killing the snakes when there is down time. In t9 you may want to ballad during downtime between golem phases and/or right before Heavensfall. In Levi you may also want to ballad or paeon during down time.

    Your healers may not desperately NEED ballad during these mentioned times, but if you have nothing to DPS then it certainly does not hurt to top them off.

    But in fights that are all up time, like t8, foe's should be what is used unless your healers really need MP and do not have any ether pots on hand.
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    Last edited by RinchanNau; 08-19-2014 at 11:11 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squa11_Leonhart View Post
    If you're always singing, you don't know how to do your job.
    Nobody said anything about always. But I see bards go through entire instances/dungeons without singing once. That's wrong.
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