A sudden change - Immersion flies out of the window.

[Gemma]

You can go to your Inn Room (talk to an Innkeeper in any main city) and watch every cutscene you've seen/skipped. Click on the book next to the bed...that's what they meant.

Yea but it's not the same as experiencing the scene as the fight is going on. Plus in the Inn you don't get to see your party members with you which I feel makes it more epic. Looks kind of odd if its just me there and I'm watching these scenes trying to remember when it was in the dungeon & what not.

People just make up these excuses to feel better about speed running imo, it honestly won't kill you(ppl in general) to just wait a few minutes and let the person enjoy their storyline. I know I got to when I first did it, & I return the favor if I'm queing up for storyline.

[NoctisUmbra]

Old topic that has be rehashed again and again.

Ultimately, the DF is a random quick play tool that grabs people together and forms a party. What kind of players you get will heavily be determined by the majority of the playerbase participating in the DF. This late into the game's release, it is more than reasonable to expect that a vast majority of the playerbase has already cleared the launch storymode dungeons, and therefore you will get speedrunners in DF. Early in the game's release, people who cleared the story within the first week would form parties themselves to get speedruns together (instead of using DF, which at the time had a majority of players getting their first clears). They did this without even using a handy tool like the PF.

While I understand that it is immersion breaking for you, it is important for you to understand the position you're in right now in this online MMO - behind. Assuming random strangers on the DF who likely queued to farm will slow down for the 2 people in party is illogical. Sure, you can argue that speedrunners should use the PF, but as it stands the majority of the playerbase that queue into Prae or CM will not be going there for their first time and therefore will want a speedrun. So, the argument that speedrunners should default to PF would be suggesting the majority of the playerbase change their practice so that the few who want immersive first clears get what they want. Furthermore, this would result in immensely long or potentially impossible queue times in the DF

So, in short, if you want to guarantee an immersive, casually paced first-time clear of a dungeon, use the PF and advertise it as such so that you get like-minded players as well as players who are willing to come help.

[RygaenYuui]

your problem is that yo think youre right. your new to the endgame stuff, so let me tell you. unless otherwise posted, it will always be for the fastest possible win. if you want to watch cutscenes, great, make the PF yourself and include that you want a slow run, if not, join DF and get the speedrun everyone else is going to do there.

the same thing happened to me, and i was annoyed, but i had watched all of the cutscenes, immediately re-queued skipped them, and got to be in every fight. its not someone elses problem that youre new and dont know how everything normally goes.

Praetorium is not endgame just because it requires LV 50 to run.

Perhaps SE should make these 8 man dungeons much more closer to real endgame, Binding Coil of Bahamut where you will not be able to complete the content by rushing through it or without your entire party; so if you can't wait until I'm done watching the cutscenes, that's too bad. And hopefully you're in a static that understands the part of the excitement that comes with watching cut scenes on the first run.

You people who are stuck in 2.0 Pre T5 really really need to get with the times.

[monochromicorn]

Praetorium is not endgame just because it requires LV 50 to run.

Perhaps SE should make these 8 man dungeons much more closer to real endgame, Binding Coil of Bahamut where you will not be able to complete the content by rushing through it or without your entire party; so if you can't wait until I'm done watching the cutscenes, that's too bad. And hopefully you're in a static that understands the part of the excitement that comes with watching cut scenes on the first run.

You people who are stuck in 2.0 Pre T5 really really need to get with the times.

whats the next step in progression? its not going to be going the the lower dungeons, thats for sure, although some things will require it. afterhitting 50, the only real place to go to progress, is endgame, and he will be new to it. you arent killing all the mobs in any of the turns that dot require it. T1, you skip every single one except the golems. does that sound like a speed run? skip everything but the bosses? that endgame, right? speedruns are the norm. get through it as fast as possible. the reason why CM and the preatorioum are treated the way they are is because you an sit there for an extra 20 minutes and let people watch all of the cutscene, or you can skip all of it and finish it for the roulette rewards. nobody is going to waste that much time because you have 1 or 2 new people.

[Zender]

I find myself with an unusual dilemma, so please bare with me and excuse me for multi posting. My response will be big, as the response has been rather juicy, and not one of the negative comments on this topic has swayed me in any shape or form. its the usual response, I've dealt with it countless times. "everyone does it, you should do this" "that's just how it is, you cant expect them to respect you for being new"

you know, the usual things end game players say to noobs who bring up an old topic that they consider dead, when it CLEARLY isn't. if the problem persists, and it keeps being brought up. it CLEARLY lives on strong. so, do something about it and respect every kind of player, including story goers. its that simple. Now, to my responses

[Zender]

Apologies i have yet to find character increases, Now! to my first response!

"don't expect every player to do what you want, and get used to speed runs. "
Like i have said before, speed runs are the norm in mmo's i've partaken in them lots of times, and i will again and again, i wouldn't have it any other way. But if im going to use duty finder, i will be one of the few who will respect someone who wants to see the cut scene. 100 tomes. =O

"there isnt a reason to take all that time going through a dungeon, since you dont get exp anymore. "

Nor is there a reason to disrespect a story goer and ruin his experience because you are impatient. its lose-lose i will be explaining why shortly.
this whole "suck it up" response, im afraid i accepted it the minute it happened, i watched the cut scenes, and was satisfied they was wiped out through their own incompetence and impatience. A comment on my spelling? grow up =p

[Zender]

Already struggling with the character limit ;_; i honestly cant find it, i keep looking.

"Old and dead topic. Solution is to form a party of people who dont mind not skipping cutscenes.
You set the terms in PF."

Yes this is a band-aid which is why i am here to gut the issue where it stands. Old and dead, issues do not persist, they do not continuously have new topics started up by new individuals to the point a player says "old and dead topic".

"You cannot force the majority to do something they do not want to do in a fully randomized duty finder party,
nor should you be able to. That is what PF is for."

No i cannot, but i can address the issue, and discuss/argue the issue with those responsible.

"TL: DR--- Functioning as designed. User adaptation necessary for individual's preferred results."

Some topics such as this, cannot achieve any results with a tldr lazy mentality.

[Zender]

another old topic revisited response - The duty finder is a random quick tool, and you do have to go with the majority, but the majority that refuses to respect a player for wanting to enjoy the game? are you kidding me with this logic? you cant sugar coat it with the excuse that players have done it so much it bores them, there are countless ways for players to gather tomes. if you use duty finder, do it properly i say. a new player grants you 100 tomes, so give them a damn good experience!.

I understand my position all to well, that is why im here, posting, pursuing the people responsible. the vast majority does not scare me with topics like this. In so many mmo's speed runners got along with story goers fine and dandy, they dont appear often in the speed running games either, because players stuck to dungeons that are not story driven, or minimally so. and helped story goers if they were present.

[Zender]

As for a slight off topic, end game, End game is indeed a term used for the game's replay value elements, such as dungeons you would wish to repeat. Problem is here, mmo players don't seem to enjoy just.. the fight, accomplishing a tough boss, they more enjoy what comes after, the reward. and as a result you get speed runners, and bad attitude. elephant in the room... Hunts. Even i can tell the end game doesnt begin at lvl 50, it begins at the maximum Ilvl, the game's story continues, the games progression, unlocks continue. the way i see it and describe it.

The game simply only begins at lvl 50 on a game like this, Same as DC universe. but you do still casually generally refer to lvl 50+ as the end game

[Zender]

As a summary, An issue that is never addressed will always resurface, under that same logic, the band-aid solution is to ignore it, is it not? o.o
you know, party finder? =p That said, im here addressing the issue in this manner to truly address it, knowing full well the result will never be every single player changing the standard Etiquette on the subject. But there is always a cause if there is but one fool to fight for it.

My experience was rather horrible, for the sudden switch as-well, zero warning despite the "new player announcement" and then nothing but abuse when i complained? I was well within my rights to complain! Now for why it is a lose-lose Etiquette.