Adding fuel to the fire, Summoner's future

[Hurlstone]

Personally speaking, Summoner is my favorite class in the game. I really the combo of Dot and pet mechanics. There are some aspects I would like improved, sure, such as the contributions rotation wise our Egi make, and allow more freedom when it comes to what summon we use, rather then being stuck with one. Overall though I think that class works very well, and I think an overhaul of its mechanics would be a sad thing.

I must admit, I just do not understand the 'It dose not feel like a summon' quotes some players state. How is a Summoner meant to feel? I seem my character with and using a summon in battle, and that seems like a Summoner to me. Sure, it may not be like FFX, but then I would doubt my party would like it if they had to take five as my Aeon defeated the boss single-handedly! Besides, FFXIV ARR is a game in its own right. It should not be out to 'copy' any past jobs, it should strive to make them unique and interesting in there own right. As I said above, I would like it if they did more with the Egi but I just think it would be an awful shame if they did re-work the job, especially when most of the complaints seem to revolve around aesthetic issues rather then the core gameplay mechanics.

[Akiza]

The issue with the Summoner is it focuses on dot management rather then summon management.

[Havenchild]

Maybe I'm just bad. Was around 390 - 400 in t6, t7, and t8 this week. 360 in t9. That was at i108 with the soldiery book. Not sure how that compares to those with similar gear proclaiming Garuda to be the only good pet, but it seems reasonable to me. And lucky me finally got the HA book this week so it'll be interesting to see how well my damage scales.

I use solely Garuda and HA Book and never struggle breaking over 400 on T6 or T8 and can do over 400 on T9. Ilvl110 atm. Garudas use is not simply Contagion but shes also a tremendous benefit to saving you MP which is much better used in Ruin 2s and Shadow Flare upkeep. Using the Ifrit egi greatly dampens your overall ability unless you have a bard solely dedicated to you for mp/ foes requiem.

[Dwill]

I see a question: will there be other jobs branching out of current classes? Answer: "we need to look into this whether we want to keep that plan". One argument for this is the attribute system. There is no context bending on my part, literally what it says.

Not to mention the part in bold text where it clearly states an "entirely new mechanism" might appear. Let's agree to disagree, time will tell.

That still doesn't correlate at all to an overhaul of existing jobs and classes.

[abzoluut]

That still doesn't correlate at all to an overhaul of existing jobs and classes.

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/122...ted-Interviews

Check what is says for 3.0. It pushes on the piece of the interview I posted. Then again, I might be completely wrong. :P

[Verityrant]

my biggest concern, and as a relatively new player, is how boring the summoner is. If SE is just going for a good version of the WoW warlock, I guess its ok (warlock is better). But why do that when they have their own cannon and lore that kicks the shit outta that in terms of interest and power. Why go with the weaksauce instead of fully realizing the summoner.

Yuna from FFX makes these puds we've been given look like a joke, and everyone with the right materia from FF7 as well. This complaint similarly goes for Black Mages and the lack of spells like Ultima and Meteor to name the biggest. This feels like they opted for generic WoW clone #89481494941 (PVP, Factions, Class balance in favor of realized full potential and true specialization). If they just wanted to copy cat a recipe with FF frosting on the WOW cake, score, but I don't think I am going to last long here, not enough that makes it special and not nearly enough Final Fantasy in it for me.

Edit: It has been pointed out to me that meteor exists as a level 3 limit break. Still want to cast Ultima and see summoners and their pets be more impressive tho.

[Dwill]

my biggest concern, and as a relatively new player, is how boring the summoner is. If SE is just going for a good version of the WoW warlock, I guess its ok (warlock is better). But why do that when they have their own cannon and lore that kicks the shit outta that in terms of interest and power. Why go with the weaksauce instead of fully realizing the summoner.

Yuna from FFX makes these puds we've been given look like a joke, and everyone with the right materia from FF7 as well. This complaint similarly goes for Black Mages and the lack of spells like Ultima and Meteor to name the bigest. This feels like they opted for generic WoW clone #89481494941 (PVP, Factions, Class balance in favor of realized full potential and true specialization). If they just wanted to copy cat a recipe with FF frosting on the WOW cake, score, but I don't think I am going to last long here, not enough that makes it special and not nearly enough Final Fantasy in it for me.

Every Final Fantasy except XI and this one: Single player RPG

Final Fantasy XI and Final Fantasy: A Realm Reborn: MMORPG

[Verityrant]

Final Fantasy ARR and most MMORPG's these days = WoWverquest clone

To be unique isn't impossible as your post would imply just because it is an MMO doesn't mean it must adhere to the same staid formula. Not every FF that was a single player RPG was good either, that ended at FFX.

[Dwill]

Final Fantasy ARR and most MMORPG's these days = WoWverquest clone

To be unique isn't impossible as your post would imply just because it is an MMO doesn't mean it must adhere to the same staid formula. Not every FF that was a single player RPG was good either, that ended at FFX.

With the choice between your ideas of balance and something that resembles WoW, I'll take the latter.

[Mjytresz]

Every Final Fantasy except XI and this one: Single player RPG

Final Fantasy XI and Final Fantasy: A Realm Reborn: MMORPG

So instead of basing class design on a series of RPG games that ARR is based on, not to mention created by the same people and company, we should base it on the MMO that came before, that the devs explicitly said they didn't want to base it on?
That sounds cool. Totally proves that other guy wrong.