Ban kicked players from instance for the remainder of said instance.

[Assirra]

I'm not suggesting a punishment - simply that you can't end up back in the same party as the people who kicked you from (their particular instance), so you can requeue with in-progress freely without worrying about getting in with the people who kicked you again.

Votekick can and is abused, so sticking a penalty time would sometimes be punishing a victim.

Votekick is supposed to be a punishment. Hence why you got reasons like "afk, cheating, harssement" and so forth. But no we cannot change it to make it usefull.
I swear everyone is paranoid on these forums thinking "yea but the big bad bullies will abuse it" and now we got rampart abuse the other way.
Even not allowing to join the same party, that person can just screw another party.

[themadnun]

Votekick is supposed to be a punishment. Hence why you got reasons like "afk, cheating, harssement" and so forth. But no we cannot change it to make it usefull.
I swear everyone is paranoid on these forums thinking "yea but the big bad bullies will abuse it" and now we got rampart abuse the other way.
Even not allowing to join the same party, that person can just screw another party.

I suppose that carries some weight, but it's a different topic. Afk though - I don't believe this really deserves a punishment. Real life happens around people, I don't want some person getting a DF cooldown because their kids have just started throwing up and they've got to go take care of them, for example. At the same time I don't wanna wait for the person to get back, if they get to come back at all.

[MeiUshu]

And is the current situation so much better? You have people demanding vote kick if they are not in the dungeon they want otherwise they will do everything to make you do so.
Vote kick should give the same or more amount of "not allowed to join" time then just leaving a dungeon. What is the point of a punishment (which it should be used as) if its actually a reward for being a prick.

And i bet more people will use it for good use rather then for harrsement (which can be reported)

it is..if the vote ban kick happens is because the maority did vote yes..right ? is far better then having an innocent being kicked because he is not up to paar with the rest with the wrong stigma harrassement and punishing him as to not register into any instance for whatever the time without him being at fault or even guilty for what he was accused..IF that is to be implemented GM then need to check into this and validate or invalidate the ban...

the solution proposed will create more problem then there are already...The real problem are people voting *yes* to the little box...and overall incapacity to use a tool for what is intended, acka kick people fore REAL reasons harrassement being, in my opinion, the only one that justifies a *punishment* as OP forsees it...nothing else does.

If you believe that people will use it only for *good reasons* you are totally very much mistaken...and I suggest that you remove blinders or use DF or for that matter even PF more often and when I say more often I mean more often like..only DF day in and day out ad not occasionally only and you will soon realize that reasons to kick people are 90 % wrong and 10 % right.

Sorry vote kick is already a tool that shoujld nto have been implemented in the first place, adding this kind of wish of the populace will give even more power to immature people to handle a tool for adults.

Mei

[themadnun]

it is..if the vote ban kick happens is because the maority did vote yes..right ? is far better then having an innocent being kicked because he is not up to paar with the rest with the wrong stigma harrassement and punishing him as to not register into any instance for whatever the time without him being at fault or even guilty for what he was accused..IF that is to be implemented GM then need to check into this and validate or invalidate the ban...


Mei

You misunderstand the intention. Please read the edit on the OP, where I have attempted to clarify.

[Rednight]

I aleady suggested this in another thread, but it was slightly off-topic and people didn't seem to like (or even understand) the idea.

IMO vote-kick in all cases (maybe except offline) should have harsh penalty attatched to it (like 2 hours or something). If you cheat, harass others or go afk without telling anyone you deserve that penalty.

If the kick was not for one of theese legit reasons from the list of choices you can (and should) report them for harassment. If SE were to hand out bans for those kicks you would see them reduced to a minimum pretty fast.

At the same time there should be a "friendly kick" for emergencies or when you want to replace a party member. For this "friendly kick" everyone in the PT (including the one to be dismissed) would have to accept, but there would be no penalty at all.

[MeiUshu]

that *player dispute-we won't touch this one* is an automatic report that is send back to you each time you file a report of abuse of the kick vote. I have filed a ticket saying in a nutshell that being labelled as an *harrasser* is a very serious offence and attacks directly the integrity of the player, without said player being aware of being tagged of such...the answer was...player dispute we won't touch this one....

So someone has been kicked under the excuse *harrassement* and is perfectly ok for SE that said person labelled as such aka reputation being directly attacked to let it go..when is against their own ToS...so really I dont bother anymore to report kick abuse, I simply leave the instance on my accord if I dont agree with both the reasons and the motives given.

Mei

[Mykll]

No, a party that kicks for no valid reason deserves to be reported to the GMs for harassment and abuse of the vote-kick feature. They don't deserve to be trolled.

I agree. But unless one of the party members says something in chat and captured by your log, once you are removed, how do you know who your party members are?

[Yumi_umi]

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When i pull ahead of a tank i tank it like a boss lol. Spamming cure 3 when needed to boost emnity and then switch back to cure 2 spams.
I make the tank look bad as they tend to bitch and be like fine i\\'ll just stand here and watch. I turn the dps against the tank as the tank seems
"Un cooperative" and soon after i put up a vote kick; the tank gets booted. I then proceed to tank the rest of the dungeon while we get a tank replacement and lol.. I get 2 commendations at the end ^^

But hey a person who got kicked for no reason makes this solution a bad one in more ways than 1.

[themadnun]

I agree. But unless one of the party members says something in chat and captured by your log, once you are removed, how do you know who your party members are?

Again offtopic, but you are correct, as far as I know there's no "recently played with:" feature. Maybe that would be a nice addition.

[Burrmanchu]

There should just be a flag or something placed on the kicked player that stops them from entering that particular instance. Or else wtf is the point of it? As said a million times you can just requeue and end up back where you were, and troll to your hearts content. This actually punishes the players that legitimately have to kick people. The arguments against doing this are hilarious. No one needs vote kick to leave a (not full) duty to come back as another job, as you don't get the timer. As far as people "baiting" for arguements to kick people unjustly without consequence... Thats the best you can come up with? The reasons against fixing this are getting pretty far fetched. I mean, in the 1% chance that that happens, just find another group. It's DF content.

tl;dr = SE should stop the DF from letting trolls back into instances they're kicked from... and there's no reason for them not to.