the hunts made me hate this community now

[Jakeson]

I'd rather not have the community that thinks they need to be able to get everything

Nobody should feel entitled to everything, you have to work for it. But let's face it: there are different breeds of gamers. I want to participate in the hunts, and if there are people out there who are much more organized, much better and (I hope a small minority) cheating, and they don't want to wait for me...then I can't participate. That sucks because I already can't participate in SCoB because of work, and basically it leaves me little else I like to do in this game. So you run the risk of ostracizing a large portion of the player base by doing things the way you prefer. If that's how you want it, go for it. Nobody is stopping you.

and I don't mean that last part to sound snarky, I really mean it. I don't care how people play as long as they aren't harassing me. I just may or may not choose to continue playing a game that is so wildly unbalanced if I can't partake in the wildly unbalanced content . But I'm just one guy.

[skaterger]

It comes down to this: SE doesn't create the community, we do. So I would prefer to create the type of community that I would want to be a part of. I like working together and making progress. I don't like PvP. So I urge the community to do these things. It's not up to anyone but the player to choose how they play the game.

Just be aware of the community you create.

I like creating a community too, but I also want to have fun doing it. The only fun I can say doing Hunts is finding a mark, but even that gets old fast when you have 100 players combing an area.
You mention working together and making progress. What better way to run end game content like coil where you learn as a team, wipe as a team and finally succeed as a team?

No, I don't believe that hunts are in any way conducive to building a community. The amount of negativity in the forums and in game proves this. I've been in northern thanalan waiting for dalvag to spawn and people would refuse to kill gormigon (sp) and he would still be alive 4 hours later. Like what ispano said, the rewards are just disproportionate to the effort. Building a community and having fun is just an excuse to justify this broken system imo.

[Jakeson]

stupid character limit

I agree, this crap is 100% broken and unbalanced. I hope they do something quickly to correct it. But for now I can't do SCoB, so this is how I gear up. I don't like crafting, and everything else is a weekly lockout. So after my dailies are done, I either get a group and hunt or log off. Lately I've been logging off, and I'm finding less and less reason to log on, because this crap is terrible for the community.

[ispano]

Nobody should feel entitled to everything, you have to work for it. But let's face it: there are different breeds of gamers. I want to participate in the hunts, and if there are people out there who are much more organized, much better and (I hope a small minority) cheating, and they don't want to wait for me...then I can't participate. That sucks because I already can't participate in SCoB because of work, and basically it leaves me little else I like to do in this game. So you run the risk of ostracizing a large portion of the player base by doing things the way you prefer. If that's how you want it, go for it. Nobody is stopping you.

and I don't mean that last part to sound snarky, I really mean it. I don't care how people play as long as they aren't harassing me. I just may or may not choose to continue playing a game that is so wildly unbalanced if I can't partake in the wildly unbalanced content . But I'm just one guy.

But like skaterger said, you're not really participating. You're just coming along for the ride for the most part. Also, when I feel something is unbalanced, like the current rewards for hunts, I will literally REFUSE to participate. I won't refuse to kill a mob I come across myself and such, but I will never buy Sand/Oil with the rewards. Ever. If I disagree with how something is, I will literally not participate in that aspect. I have a log rotting on my retainer because of this, in case they can be used for something else down the road.

So, I just do the dailies and weeklies, which have been a joke so far to do, and claim the few I come across when playing normally. I'll get the few things I want, then who knows.

[Jakeson]

But like skaterger said, you're not really participating. You're just coming along for the ride for the most part.

There are people like this, but I roam around and hunt.

edit: "hunt"

[ispano]

There are people like this, but I roam around and hunt.

edit: "hunt"

But you have a similar mentality. You want them to wait in the chance you don't find one.

[Deviant1]

Lastly, I know how this system works. People like to claim that every single person in a huge zerg can get full credit.

do you have zerg size and proof to back this up?

I have done over 500 marks, and only time I don't get credit are in early pulls, bad party configs (more then 1 or two dps normally) or when people are not performing their role right (Whms not medica2 with cure 3 spams, or tanks not using the enmity moves / not in defiance or Shield oath.
There are things you can look at to see, spell casting bars, effects on you, ect. you will have strings of bad seal numbers and it becomes obvious it is the party members. Any

[EdwinLi]

Not surprised since after the earily experience with FATE farming most people have learned how fast a single target for a reward (AKA The Hunt) can be easily swarmed and slaughtered by the nearest people.

[ispano]

do you have zerg size and proof to back this up?

I have done over 500 marks, and only time I don't get credit are in early pulls, bad party configs (more then 1 or two dps normally) or when people are not performing their role right (Whms not medica2 with cure 3 spams, or tanks not using the enmity moves / not in defiance or Shield oath.
There are things you can look at to see, spell casting bars, effects on you, ect. you will have strings of bad seal numbers and it becomes obvious it is the party members. Any

Keyword in your post "I". Do you ask every single person, every single group that participates, what they got? I honestly don't think you do. Not to mention, as others have pointed out, the way you describe "forces" people to play specific jobs/roles to get rewards. Some of the large groups even won't allow you to play something else.

[Zyrusticae]

Let's just take a moment to point out how utterly stupid it is to have content where dealing damage is simply not allowed. Where actually doing nothing but spamming taunts and heals actually works and is in fact the preferred method of engaging with the content. Just think about that for a moment.

It's dumb. It's really, really, really, really, really, really dumb.

As far as I'm concerned, this content is an utter failure in every possible regard, without exception. Nothing about it is done well. NOTHING about it is done well. It's all dumb. They should have known this would happen, yet they did not. It's most perplexing. Utterly dumbfounding, even.