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  1. #11
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    Velox's Avatar
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    Velo'a Nharoz
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    Mateus
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 90

    Assorted BiS

    BiS Determination build

    Daystar Circlet
    High Allagan Coat of Healing
    Daystar Gloves
    High Allagan Belt of Healing
    Daystar Breeches
    High Allagan Thighboots of Healing
    High Allagan Choker of Healing
    Daystar Earrings
    Daystar Armillae
    Daystar Ring
    High Allagan Ring of Healing

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    BiS Spell Speed build

    High Allagan Circlet of Healing
    High Allagan Coat of Healing
    Daystar Gloves
    High Allagan Belt of Healing
    High Allagan Pantaloons of Healing
    Daystar Sollerets
    High Allagan Choker of Healing
    Daystar Earrings
    High Allagan Bracelets of Healing
    Daystar Ring
    High Allagan Ring of Healing

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    BiS Crit build

    Daystar Circlet
    Daystar Robe
    Daystar Gloves
    Daystar Belt
    Daystar Breeches
    Daystar Sollerets
    Daystar Necklace
    High Allagan Earrings of Healing
    High Allagan Bracelets of Healing
    Daystar Ring
    High Allagan Ring of Healing

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    BiS Piety build

    High Allagan Circlet of Healing
    Daystar Robe
    High Allagan Gloves of Healing
    High Allagan Belt of Healing
    Daystar Breeches
    High Allagan Thighboots of Healing
    Daystar Necklace
    High Allagan Earrings of Healing
    Daystar Armillae
    Daystar Ring
    High Allagan Ring of Healing


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    Easiest to achieve = Crit build (gotta love the soldiery gear)
    Most difficult to achieve = Spell Speed build (tons of 2nd coil drops, plus the dreaded turn 4 pants)
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  2. #12
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    Vid's Avatar
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    Iggi Wunohwun
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    Sargatanas
    Main Class
    Machinist Lv 90
    Currently plan on going this route: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/MKA1

    Mostly my reasoning is to get 5K mana total and as much determination as I can squeeze in from gear. I use Mulled Tea instead of the typical Buttons in a Blanket mostly because the piety helps me out more then the measly amount of determination would. I've already taken into account the Scholar's Piety Buff.

    However I have also done the math for Full Determination, Full Piety, and of course Hybrid mixes, using Mulled Tea & Buttons in a Blanket for food. I don't feel the higher foods warrant enough of an extra bonus to even make let alone use, but that's just me and money is tight. So in case you wanted the math here you go:

    Mostly for my own personal records, but I wanted to see what a Full Determination build VS a Full Pie build would be like, and other things in between. The mana totals are estimates, given that 1 Point of Pie = 8 points of Mana, but you also have a set base amount of mana on top of that. The mana totals may be slightly off of what they would actually be, but not by much.

    Also keep in mind this is based off my race as a Dunesfolk Lalafell. Other races may be slightly different in totals, but there is an option at the bottom of each link to change your race.

    The totals are based off the Party Buffs received from both SCH and WHM, which is 3% of your total Mind and Piety added onto everything. So when you see 596 Mind that includes the Party Buffs, the link itself will actually just show the base amount without the party buff included.

    Full Determination Build
    Buttons in a Blanket


    http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/MKAT

    Mind - 596
    Det - 348
    Pie - 389
    Mana - 4650+

    Average Healing:
    Cure 1 - 1348
    Cure 2 - 2191
    Regen - 506


    W/ Mulled Tea

    http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/MKVW

    Mind - 596
    Det - 332
    Pie - 403
    Mana - 4750+

    Average Healing:
    Cure 1 - 1340
    Cure 2 - 2177
    Regen - 502


    Full Piety Build
    Mulled Tea


    http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/MKVV

    Mind - 596
    Det - 251
    Pie - 481
    Mana - 5400+

    Average Healing:
    Cure 1 - 1299
    Cure 2 - 2112
    Regen - 487


    W/ Buttons in a Blanket

    http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/NIJS

    Mind - 596
    Det - 263
    Pie - 466
    Mana - 5250+

    Average Healing:
    Cure 1 - 1305
    Cure 2 - 2121
    Regen - 490


    Hybrid Builds


    Pie Focused W/ 300+ Determination
    Mulled Tea


    http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/MKA1

    Mind - 596
    Det - 311
    Pie - 437
    Mana - 5050+

    Average Healing:
    Cure 1 - 1329
    Cure 2 - 2160
    Regen - 499


    W/ Buttons in a Blanket

    http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/MKW3

    Mind - 596
    Det - 326
    Pie - 423
    Mana - 4950+

    Average Healing:
    Cure 1 - 1337
    Cure 2 - 2177
    Regen - 501
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    Last edited by Vid; 08-14-2014 at 01:39 AM.

  3. #13
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    Divine Intervention
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    Arcanist Lv 61
    Holy wall of awesome text xD Lots of information, thanks guys!

    So going by that, if i want to power boost my actual healing output, after magic damage the next stat to focus on is DET, right?
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  4. #14
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    Velo'a Nharoz
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    Mateus
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Divine_Intervention View Post
    if i want to power boost my actual healing output, after magic damage the next stat to focus on is DET, right?
    Determination will give you a small bump in healing power and it will be fairly consistent on a per-cast basis. Crit will give you a large bump in healing power, but it will be random on which casts it affects, so it's more of a gamble.

    Piety will allow you to cast more spells without relying on a Bard or ethers.
    Spell Speed will allow you cast spells quicker, as well as reduce the cooldown between them (so you're not sitting on the GCD as long).
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  5. #15
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    Arcanist Lv 61
    Ahh alrighty. So the common consensus seems to be, have everything, adjust as needed on a per - raid basis.
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  6. #16
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    Iggi Wunohwun
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    Main Class
    Machinist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Divine_Intervention View Post
    Ahh alrighty. So the common consensus seems to be, have everything, adjust as needed on a per - raid basis.
    Most healers will tell you to do Determination, to increase your healing output to the max. But there are some of us who go a different approach. There is no right or wrong way in my opinion, just go with what you're comfortable with.

    I personally like the Determination Route, but the gear this time around is mostly split between Determination and Piety with a few pieces that have both, so I'm going for a Hybrid Build that offers 5K+ Mana and over 300+ Determination.

    Also your priority of stats may change as you become more familiar with the fights. Turn 6 starting out can be a little overwhelming as people are learning, you have a lot of raid wide damage going everywhere, you need to be positioned and move accordingly, and the tanks will end up taking a hefty bit of damage due to the stacks. So you may focus on Piety or Spell Speed for this fight until you become more familiar and can manage your mana/heals better. Just using this as an example, I don't mean YOU specifically.
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    Last edited by Vid; 08-14-2014 at 02:35 AM.
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  7. #17
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    Peony Foxbriar
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    Louisoix
    Main Class
    Monk Lv 55
    Vid, thank you so much for your in-depth and informative post regarding builds and the math involved, really appreciate that a lot.
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