Ban kicked players from instance for the remainder of said instance.

[Barboron]

They won't take action if the kick is result of a player dispute, but if you randomly get kicked for no reason (like several of the cases posted here) you can and should send a report. If someone goes AFK, gets kicked, comes back and continues to AFK that also can be reported, same as someone refusing to do anything unless they are kicked.

Yeah, that's their loophole. I mentioned in a thread somewhere before that if people wish to abuse the vote kick, all they have to do is instigate an argument of some kind and there you go, instant GM protection for the wrong!

[monochromicorn]

Yeah, that's their loophole. I mentioned in a thread somewhere before that if people wish to abuse the vote kick, all they have to do is instigate an argument of some kind and there you go, instant GM protection for the wrong!

its sad, but thats the way it goes...

[Remn]

People get kicked too many times for inappropriate reasons that there should not be a penalty added to the kick.

However, there really should be a way to keep a kicked person from rejoining the same instance. Is that something really that hard to program?

Not sure how SE write their code, but I would guess that every instance that was create, it also generate some type of ID together with it. Technically, you can tie the character ID with the instance_ID to prevent the guy who got kicked to join back to the previous session/instance.

@monochromicorn, in your situation, cant you just leave the instance and join back as different class? (since the instance you in doesn't have the full/light party , leaving instance will not give you any penalty.)

[Barboron]

its sad, but thats the way it goes...

Yup, it's unfortunate. I think SE should just admit their wrongs and just leave it the way it is to be honest. I can't imagine any changes being for the better regardless of intentions.

[Niwashi]

i know that its not entirely meant to be used like that, but the way it works now allows for it to.

That's all the more reason for "the way it works now" to change. The OP's suggestion would help make it so that (at least more often) Vote-Kick is used for vote-kicking and Leave is used for leaving. Their rules can be more effective if they're each being used for their intended purpose.

in some cases should there be a penalty like whats been suggested, yes. but a blanket solution that has been suggested just seems wrong, punishing everyone because some people want to be jerks.

But this thread isn't talking about adding a penalty (though some other threads have suggested it in the past). Just make it so that the person who gets kicked (justifiably or not) will be placed in a different group when they re-queue.

I do think the vote-kick system needs some major changes before any more actual penalties could be seriously considered (beyond the inherent penalty of being kicked out). But a rule that the kicked player not end up back in the group that kicked her seems helpful regardless of the validity of the kick.

Lots of people abuse the system, it happened to me a few days ago. And for revenge I just sit and grabbed the loot. The problem is some deserve to be kicked to the moon. But then you have that party that just kick so no reason. Then they deserve to be trolled.

No, a party that kicks for no valid reason deserves to be reported to the GMs for harassment and abuse of the vote-kick feature. They don't deserve to be trolled.

[Buff_Archer]

The one thing I think most people would agree on, is if someone gets kicked for any reason (whether valid or an abuse of the system) that person shouldn't be returned to the party they were kicked from. If it was a legitimate kick- end of story. If it was a situation where people kicked others from parties to let friends join in progress as a shortcut, or to increase their odds at getting loot- while the person who got kicked doesn't deserve to lose their progress, if the people who kick for this reason are properly investigated and banned accordingly this won't be a problem for very long.

[Sevokevo_Royuki]

The Troll AFKer that did this I say should be reported... In my opinion.. they are making the game unenjoyable for the other 3 so if they report the person the GM can take action for abusing the system for their own personal gain......

No, a party that kicks for no valid reason deserves to be reported to the GMs for harassment and abuse of the vote-kick feature. They don't deserve to be trolled.

But the people that are kicking the guy that is trolling is not kicking un fairly.. they kicking him for AFKing in the dungeon and not having the others do the work as he does not want to... that is a legit excuss to kick the person so they are not at fault for kicking him.. the guy at fault is the damn troll that keeps comming back.. Which that is harrassment or something on the lines of this...

[Sove92]

What about people abusing it? The general consensus seem to be the vote kick system is awful for several reasons

The alternative of removing the feature would be insufferable, however. Don't want to see the 2.0 leeching days again.

Just 8 hours ago had to get rid of a Scholar who refused to heal after finding out I was running the dungeon (Stone Vigil HM) on STR jewellery (You don't need 10k HP in Stone Vigil, more STR is better) and the SMN was spiritbinding i70 jewellery. After the kick, the same SCH rejoined and we had to time the second kick properly so we could get a healer from FC join in-progress. -.-

[Barboron]

The alternative of removing the feature would be insufferable, however.

Agreed, I just can't see any changes being beneficial because it's going to upset a portion of the community anyway. As I said here:

I can't imagine any changes being for the better regardless of intentions.

I think SE has pretty much cut their losses with not taking action if a dispute occurs.

[allecs]

I actually heard of an old fc mate doing this.
He wasn't doing something right in the party I don't remember what but he was the tank. (I think a dps targeted the wrong mob ONCE he stopped tanking all together) The party vote kicked him out, he then just requed in progress and got in that party again so they were stuck with him acting like a child. I think if you were vote kicked for something like harassment you shouldn't be able to rejoin.