SE's most difinitive statement yet on parsers

[KaiKatzchen]

Although we will continue to monitor game data to ensure that similar illegitimate practices are not being used, we would like to remind players that using third-party programs, parsers, or other tools to conduct actions players would not normally be able to do in the game is a violation of the Terms of Service, and will be dealt with strict disciplinary action.

Players who discover any confirmed cheats should, under no circumstances, exploit or disseminate such information. Instead, we ask that players file a report by using the in-game command [System Menu] -> [Support Desk] -> [Contact Us] -> [Report Cheating].

Source: http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...513.1392924972

[Assirra]

They think we are the ones trying to prevent their "quality of life". Square-Enix did it for a reason and they can't even realize how unhealthy this addiction and obsession has gotten for them because they turned a simple tool into such a necessity.

In which we have this addict level of "I can't live without it" that has produced such a state of mind in these people that you can no longer reason with. Since you constantly see them constantly drag it back to the same vicious cycle that consist of insults and belittlement.

I dare you
Point 1 example in this thread of this "insults and belittlement"

I point back to yourself, by calling people addicts btw.
You just became what you are insulting people for this whole thread.

[Kayo]

In which we have this addict level of "I can't live without it" that has produced such a state of mind in these people that you can no longer reason with. Since you constantly see them constantly drag it back to the same vicious cycle that consist of insults and belittlement.

Haha, so true. It's the dependency on parsers which paved way for the mindset behind the silent-Bards out there. Thanks to this addiction (good call btw) players have completely forgotten about team work and what is best for the team to accomplish a win (like sacrificing some DPS so your healer can last a while longer). Its all ... "well im DPS/HPS, so thats all I need to do... parser says im doing good and if I dont someone is going to call me out." There is a recent thread FULL of these claims and yet they still deny that parsers are a detriment to the community. Oh but no WE are the ones ignoring facts... right....

I mean parsers have a small chance at helping a few top competitive guilds defeat a handful of bosses with an even remotely challenging enrage timer sooner than other guilds, so obviously developers around the world should overlook the type of environment they help cause and just allow them everywhere.

[kidvideo]

All of this discussion has led me to wonder "what is SE's real definitive rule on RMT & harassment"? Those are two itches that I want to scratch.

[Sebazy]

In which we have this addict level of "I can't live without it" that has produced such a state of mind in these people that you can no longer reason with. Since you constantly see them constantly drag it back to the same vicious cycle that consist of insults and belittlement.

Please quote any example of me using insults and belittlement to further my side of this debate.

I'll be waiting.

[Gormogon]

Haha, so true. It's the dependency on parsers which paved way for the mindset behind the silent-Bards out there. Thanks to this addiction (good call btw) players have completely forgotten about team work and what is best for the team to accomplish a win (like sacrificing some DPS so your healer can last a while longer). Its all ... "well im DPS/HPS, so thats all I need to do... parser says im doing good and if I dont someone is going to call me out." There is a recent thread FULL of these claims and yet they still deny that parsers are a detriment to the community. Oh but no WE are the ones ignoring facts... right....

I mean parsers have a small chance at helping a few top competitive guilds defeat a handful of bosses with an even remotely challenging enrage timer sooner than other guilds, so obviously developers around the world should overlook the type of environment they help cause and just allow them everywhere.

It's really sadly what it does to players. I've seen so many guilds end up in drama then breaking up because of parser data in other MMO's and ever since people started using here because of the desire to be more informed and down BCoB/Extreme primals by 2.2 surely enough it happens all over again.

Players focus so much on their own numbers and interpretations of someone else's that it creates an unhealthy mindset of, oh I have to deal top DPS and rub it in and if someone under performs they are "wasting my time" a quote that gets use often now. Regardless of reasons.

The dependency alone is what baffles me when such players end up claiming that nothing can be done in-game without them.

[Sebazy]

I think you are tarring a lot of people with a rather tired brush tbh.

Ps, I'm still waiting for you to quote where I was being insulting etc! Chop chop

[Dwill]

They think we are the ones trying to prevent their "quality of life". Square-Enix did it for a reason and they can't even realize how unhealthy this addiction and obsession has gotten for them because they turned a simple tool into such a necessity.

In which we have this addict level of "I can't live without it" that has produced such a state of mind in these people that you can no longer reason with. Since you constantly see them constantly drag it back to the same vicious cycle that consist of insults and belittlement.

Go ahead. If it's such a vicious cycle, it's safe to assume you have quite a few example to support your arguments. You do have some, don't you ?

They don't care about parsing unless its used to target specific a specific player in a party and single them out - resulting in that player's ability to enjoy the game.

Good job at skipping the entire thread to post baseless assumptions that have already been discussed.

Haha, so true. It's the dependency on parsers which paved way for the mindset behind the silent-Bards out there. Thanks to this addiction (good call btw) players have completely forgotten about team work and what is best for the team to accomplish a win (like sacrificing some DPS so your healer can last a while longer). Its all ... "well im DPS/HPS, so thats all I need to do... parser says im doing good and if I dont someone is going to call me out." There is a recent thread FULL of these claims and yet they still deny that parsers are a detriment to the community. Oh but no WE are the ones ignoring facts... right....

I mean parsers have a small chance at helping a few top competitive guilds defeat a handful of bosses with an even remotely challenging enrage timer sooner than other guilds, so obviously developers around the world should overlook the type of environment they help cause and just allow them everywhere.

You know that with this kind of statement, the only thing you're doing is proving the people for parsers to be right.

I think you are tarring a lot of people with a rather tired brush tbh.

Ps, I'm still waiting for you to quote where I was being insulting etc! Chop chop

Seriously, you and I both know that he won't. His entire arguments are based on denial, made-up scenarios and lack of knowledge.

[Ghishlain]

I dare you
Point 1 example in this thread of this "insults and belittlement"

I point back to yourself, by calling people addicts btw.
You just became what you are insulting people for this whole thread.

Please quote any example of me using insults and belittlement to further my side of this debate.

I'll be waiting.

It's okay. He doesn't understand irony and the anti-parser debate isn't as black and white as people would like to think. When the entire argument against parser basically breaks down to "it's illegal" and "elitest jerks use it to flaunt themselves" and that "all people who use parsing are elitest jerks and therefore need it to belittle everyone else they play with openly".

I won't deny that a parser can have serious negative impacts on individuals but also have positive impacts as well. People who use parsers to flaunt their ego need to get banned (and are generally the only ones who get banned because they do "flaunt their ego" by posting their parse).

The people who use parsing as a tool to help improve themselves for the betterment of their team will never be caught because they'll never openly broadcast their usage of it on a public channel and are generally using it to help themselves of their FC mates if they are interested in being helped in that way.

Of course this explanation doesn't change the fact that Parsers, at its core is illegal. It just challenges things that certain aspects people take for granted and helps distinguish the problem from the noise.

[Irving]

I dare you
Point 1 example in this thread of this "insults and belittlement"

I point back to yourself, by calling people addicts btw.
You just became what you are insulting people for this whole thread.

Please quote any example of me using insults and belittlement to further my side of this debate.

I'll be waiting.

With how he is handling solid and legitimate views on this argument with responses such as:

How about you get the thing that matters straight.

Play the game.

He will probably tell you to go fly a kite instead of countering your premise.

I really think the general populous should not waste any more resources trying to reason or debate with this person. While his views are something I can vastly agree with, he refuses to listen or admit some parts of the counter argument could be true.

While I will agree that the usage of parsers is indeed black and white and that intent does not matter as the parser is being used regardless, the people who use them or can see the utility in them (par of course forcing it as a requirement) should not be generalized as such in to said black and white categories.