Primal mounts and their effect on player health/sanity.

[Rednight]

Exactly, some people just wont accept the fact that they can't get everything in this game, and would rather ruin it for people who actually care having stuff the majority of the players will never get.

Oh, i did accept it. In fact i dont even care all that much for theese mounts. Sure if one were to drop i would roll on it, but i'd still rather ride my chocobo companion.

What if someone asks you for help for it? you'll just tell them "sorry, i have no plans to do that fight because i can't get what i want out of it" if you never do it, there is a 100% chance of not getting the drop.

Your sense to detect sarcasm is... "GREAT".
Sure i would help people "beat the content", i just see no reason to "farm the content".

So for those who lack the ability to read between the lines, what i'm saying is:

SE: Keep the insane drop rate, so more people will run/farm it.

Me: Screw that, because i'm not going through that grind just for some vanity mount. If there was some visible goal to work towards i'd prolly do it, but not with this 1% divided through 8 and 5 times in a row (6 if it's the same with Shiva).

[Luvbunny]

Again the fix for this extreme primals battle is beyond ridiculously easy, with these steps, just update the gears to be up to date with the lowest requirements to clear things:
1. Slot A. Extremely common gears or weapon lvl 90, 50% chance
2. Slot B. Very Rare Gears or Weapon lvl 100 8% chance
3. Slot C. Common lvl 60 crafts materials 70% chance
4. Slot D. Common lvl 70-80 craft materials 40% chance
5. Slot E. Super rare mount 2% chance
6. Slot F. Very Rare U. Alagan Tomestone 5% chance

Out of those 6, three of them will load randomly. So instead of ONE item, you get three of them. Plus give everyone 50 myths, and 15 soldiery, and 5000 gils. Now you can see more incentives. FFXI got the drop slots right, and that game has one of the worst RNG but still able to beat this game to a pulp.

[Xenor]

These mounts are intended to be rare items for players who have already cleared the extreme primal battles, to incentivize players to continue and challenge these fights. At this time there are no plans to make any adjustments to the primal mounts, but if anything changes we will be sure to update you.

There comes a point when the drop rate is so low people don't find it worth their time, and as a result don't bother. If the drop rate was more reasonable I'd have cleared the primal fights way more than I have now. With current drop rates I'm not bothering because theyre too rare.

The same happened with the tank mounts that were meant to encourage people to play tank jobs. The requirement was set so high people who don't already main a tank job didn't bother.

[Assirra]

There comes a point when the drop rate is so low people don't find it worth their time, and as a result don't bother. If the drop rate was more reasonable I'd have cleared the primal fights way more than I have now. With current drop rates I'm not bothering because theyre too rare.

The same happened with the tank mounts that were meant to encourage people to play tank jobs. The requirement was set so high people who don't already main a tank job didn't bother.

The problem is if you make it to easy to get, people would get it and never bother anymore. Just look at the conjurer pony. People would get to 30 and never bother using the spec again.
The tank thing at least encourages for people to keep tanking. If you give it to every tank the second they ding 50 you have people leveling a tank for that and then not switching to tank since all they wanted was that mount.

[Chione]

Don't understand how some have developed the mentality that having a primal mount makes them somehow more impressive. You may have farmed it until your eyes bled, but there are others out there who got it on their very first win. Are you really impressed by something that may have taken so little effort to get, regardless of the drop rate?

Now if there were actual work involved, like the suggestion to use the now-useless Rowena tokens instead, then you'd have a real accomplishment on your hands to show off and be proud of. As it stands, that shiny pony is only evidence of a high dice roll, not of the effort you put into getting it.

So, with things as they are, you won't catch me signing up for an ex primal fight with any thought of getting the mount right now. But, if you put them in the dusty old primal token shop, I'd happily grind away (even in DF!) for a wind pony. Even if it took a hundred of em. That's an actual accomplishment, and not just another lucky dice roll.

The problem is if you make it to easy to get, people would get it and never bother anymore. Just look at the conjurer pony. People would get to 30 and never bother using the spec again.
The tank thing at least encourages for people to keep tanking. If you give it to every tank the second they ding 50 you have people leveling a tank for that and then not switching to tank since all they wanted was that mount.

I think the point in most of these replies is that people are already not bothering to do them anymore. The mounts are more of a "Well, if it drops while I'm already doing this fight for whatever reason, great!" sort of thing to the majority, I'd wager. They're not any real incentive to actually revisit the fights. And if incentive was the whole reason for them being added, then maybe they aren't actually Working As Intended.

[Mardel]

Only thing low drop rate had done is increase merc sells. The mounts should cost tokens from rowena. I mean she has everything somehow already why not mounts?

[Mcshiggs]

Someone should call the ASPCA because those primals are keeping those crayola horses in those cramped treasure chests. A Sarah McLachlan song should start playing every time one drops.

[Xenor]

The problem is if you make it to easy to get, people would get it and never bother anymore.

I understand that. The key is to put it somewhere between too easy and too ridiculous to bother. If it were an achievement reward for killing a primal 50 or 100 times that is an achievable goal to work towards. But as it stands it's a 1 in 100 RNG chance where 8 people are lotting (RNG again) for it. 1 in 800 on average. People like to see progress and RNG means you're at the same place after 500 kills as you are after 1 kill if you didn't get lucky. I want no part in that. Same reason I never cared about Leviathan mirrors, the maths told me an Animus weapon was a far better time investment.

[Makado]

Yeah, the only farm for mount I have seen on PF lately was Ramuh and that's because you can get rings 100% and weapons a good amount of the time also. Other then that nobody wants to go do old ones because...there is essentially no chance to get them.

[Miste]

Upset to hear that SE sees no problem with the mounts...

I find it irritating that I have done more EX primals altogether than I can count and have not a single one of those mounts, not even Nightmare which was out a long time ago. I only saw one drop and I farmed the crap out of those primals, and guess who won it? A guy who was dead half the fight or more -_- (Titan EX ofc).

It's just a drive killer when you think about the odds...I like to collect pets and mounts but ugh...
8 player content, so 1/8 chance to win lot, which is 12.5% chance of winning, but the drop rate is only like 1% so you get a 12.5% chance every 100 runs on average....so it ends up being like idk 0.1% chance of getting one? It is okay to make some mounts hard to get but this is getting lame, there were 5 ponies already and now 6 with Ramuh, they don't ALL need to be that rare.

I farmed for the gear, I farmed to help friends, and I've pretty much given up now on getting any of those mounts cause I'm really sick of those fights. I still do Leviathan sometimes but pretty much only because I am missing the PLD shield, otherwise I wouldn't bother anymore.

The drop rate is too low to be incentive SE. Once people think about the drop rate for a minute they realize it is pointless to keep trying, cause you are just wasting your time. It's like the lottery, yeah you could get lucky, but the odds are WAY against you, so what's the point? I could spend the next 3 days doing nothing but Leviathan and not even get a chance to roll on the mount cause it just won't drop, but wait I can't even do that cause I have a life....so my chances just dropped to maybe 0.001% ...yay