Was Coil 2 and Ramuh extreme over tune?

[Gilthas]

You need ilevel 110 to do Ramuh and the 3 new dungeons? wat?

Did I say that they needed it?

This argument that "casuals don't need i110 gear" is inherently stupid because them needing the gear or not has no bearing on them getting better gear being fun for them.

[Barimu]

Did I say that they needed it?

This argument that "casuals don't need i110 gear" is inherently stupid because them needing the gear or not has no bearing on them getting better gear being fun for them.

They shouldn't be able to do it then boo hoo they suck. At most they should be limited to ilvl100 which sands and oils did right until they were introduced into hunts.

[Chocolate_Rain]

They shouldn't be able to do it then boo hoo they suck. At most they should be limited to ilvl100 which sands and oils did right until they were introduced into hunts.

Though I am against the current showering of gear upon the masses, Gilthas is correct in stating that casual non raiders must always have an opportunity to get better gear. If not, most will simply stop playing, the money to keep the game going goes away, and no more raid development.

This is a balancing act that wow hasn't even gotten right yet.

[Taruranto]

Did I say that they needed it?

This argument that "casuals don't need i110 gear" is inherently stupid because them needing the gear or not has no bearing on them getting better gear being fun for them.

So you want the cake and you want to eat it all. You want gears without hassle. You want to be lazy and get reward.

[Krr]

Though I am against the current showering of gear upon the masses, Gilthas is correct in stating that casual non raiders must always have an opportunity to get better gear. If not, most will simply stop playing, the money to keep the game going goes away, and no more raid development.

From a developmental perspective, I think the key takeaway here is "casuals need something to work toward," and in the current game the only thing for them to work toward is sitting inside of some A-rank pinatas, because everyone already maxed out on their soldiery gear. While I don't like how they raised it, (Hunts are boring, unengaging, and do not allow players to improve their skills,) putting a ceiling on everyone who's not an ~elite raider~ bourgeois carefully managing their array of human raiding labor for the sake of making the elite feel good is not a solution.

The way I see it is that casual players no longer need something to work toward. They now need something engaging to work toward that won't also instantly paste them across the floor just for being pubbies. We had this in 2.0 and 2.1, when the difficulty and gear curve of endgame encounters made sense and you were unlikely to hit an "I can't do this / improve myself without a raid group" wall without playing a lot. That went away when item level inflation made 'hard mode' level encounters utterly trivial, and extreme- and coil-style content the only thing in the game to do.

[Ooshima]

You know, to date I never understood the level of elitism on the issue of gearing, at all.

Everyone should have an option of obtaining better gears and new items down the line. You cannot deny that getting new bling bling and toys are a large part of fun for quite a majority of the players, regardless they are casual gamers or hardcores.

The hardcore and the top corp of players are already rewarded with early access to the highest ilvl gear in game, while the masses play catch up during the catch up patch (ie 2.1, 2.3 and in future, 2.5).

The hardcore and the top corp of players have access to both Soldiery and HA gear set and allow them to mix and match to obtain the BiS gear set. Non raiders only have Soldiery gear - with the exception of a one or two job, majority of them are either non-BiS or completely junk on secondary stats.

At the same time, the hardcore and the top corp of players would have been on coil farm for some time as of now, and with Hunts they are gearing on multiple jobs already. Casuals who are playing catch up are probably only able to gear on their main job, and maybeeeee one sub job. Tomes of Soldiery are still limited - even if these so called casuals can dump 100 hrs in hunts and gathered over 10k seals excluding logs, they are just not enough ToS for them to gear up unlike raiders who have another option of gearing which is ilvl 110 right off the bat.

And the top ilvl weapon are only available to raiders.

So... with all these benefits for raiding, why do you feel so hurt that casual, non raiding gamers have access to ilvl 110 soldiery gears which you people consider it junk stats for almost 50% of the pieces? Are you that upset that they have full i110 non BiS gearset (while you don some HA bling blings and goes "hey I cleared coil, okay?")

Does casuals having ilvl 110 avg affect your game play in anyway? Elite end games have their own circle and community and they probably talked about who's good and who's bad as hell. They probably scrutinize their lodestone profile and achievements and trail them holistically to see if they'd accept them. With all these it is not like ilvl110 soldiery will make them instantly good or confuse you that they are good and end up wiping you and wasting your time. You'd probably be able to tell who's good and bad with experience. So.... why so much anger that they have ilvl 110 gear?

Unless the possession of ilvl 110 gear defines your achievement and happiness as a raider, which then I'm not sure what to comment on. Most of the end game raiders pride themselves in their skill. World/Server first players observe the fight and figure out the mechanics themselves and they pride themselves on this. They pride themselves having the skills to push through contents which 99% of the player base could not yet to do it. Priding yourself over gear is just, superficial. Because eventually, every tom, dick or harry can get gear.

And the funniest thing of them all, is quite a handful of these QQ-ers only cleared T9 recently, or haven't even cleared them yet. Most of the people who cleared it earlier, within patch 2.2 doesn't even get bothered with this.

[LunarEmerald]

I think the dps check for Ramuh is too tight. It should be lowered.

[Taruranto]

You know, to date I never understood the level of elitism on the issue of gearing, at all.

I never undestood entitled kids who want shiny toys they don't even know how to use but don't want to work for it and want it handled to them, but what we can do?

Regardless, the game is a theme park with a 6 cycle month for gears, so at the end who cares. They have little value. Open the floodgate to casual.

[Ooshima]

I never undestood entitled kids who want shiny toys they don't even know how to use but don't want to work for it and want it handled to them, but what we can do?

Regardless, the game is a theme park with a 6 cycle month for gears, so at the end who cares. They have little value. Open the floodgate to casual.

Well, what they do with their bling bling got to do with you? Just like how do other waste their own money, why does it bother you?

I've already cleared T9 in patch 2.2 and I'm not even bothered with this. I just do my other stuffs such as desynthesis, getting supras etc.

[Crimson-Falcon]

I think the dps check for Ramuh is too tight. It should be lowered.

the only hard part in the whole fight tbh

hell i had i100+ DPS players and we barely made it

beside dps check the fight have rest is a complete joke