1.17 > 1.18 = 3+ months. 1.18 > 1.19 = ???

[TirionCrey]

Yoshi said all of the listed stuff they had on one of the earlier Letters is gonna be implemented til the end of september...among those things have been all the stuff they annunced for 1.19 and some stuff even in 1.20.

So my guess is, at least they are planning on getting those 2 patches live in the next 2 months. Although I doubt 1.20 is gonna be in that time frame, I'm more than certain 1.19 is gonna hit the servers sometimes late august/early september. I'm confident.

[weeble]

if u guys keep track of other mmo's, you can see these mmo's taking forever to come out, they probably running into problem after problem to fix too. only diff is we stuck playing cause they desided to launch early and steal our box sales lol. it's gonna be slow, even if he says it will be exelerated ...i don't think any content is gonna zoom into the game.

[H-P]

Speeding through the creation process is what got us into this mess in the first place.. show some patience. lotta the "fans" on here sound more like haters to me (pointed at no one in this thread!) Yeah it sucks.. it sucks for everyone get over it and grow some patience it's a virtue... an Absolute Virtue!

[alexi14]

In Essence, they are redoing most of FFXIV. Considering it took them years to make this game, and now they are remaking it right in front of our eyes, I'd say the time frame is acceptable.

[Hubert]

The thing about patch 1.18 is that it literally changes the game; auto-attack, repairs, guild leves, dungeons, grand companies, etc. I can't even begin to imagine the amount of work it took to redesign the entire battle system from scratch and then go though the test phase. Point is, the problem isn't that it took them 3+ months to get this patch ready, it's that they decided to lump it all together in one mega patch.

I like big, game-changing patches as much as the next guy, but I think that SE should have broken the patch up and released it bit by bit, starting with auto-attack, then adding on the dungeons/guild leve reforms, and then moving on from there. The whole process would still take the same amount of time but this way players would have already been given auto-attack by mid-June in time to take the new combat system to the dungeons released in early July before settling in with the grand company quests by mid-July. Just my 2 cents.

[Jennestia]

/Bayohne

Greetings!
We passed along your concerns to the Dev team, and Yoshida wanted to address this personally. The reply was a bit alarming...

/End Bayohne



I'm so getting banned for this, lol

Banned or not, we all know that's what he wants to say.

[kukurumei]

if u guys keep track of other mmo's, you can see these mmo's taking forever to come out, they probably running into problem after problem to fix too. only diff is we stuck playing cause they desided to launch early and steal our box sales lol. it's gonna be slow, even if he says it will be exelerated ...i don't think any content is gonna zoom into the game.

There's a differences in that one has been following a plan, and FF14 had to completely rewrite theirs(because it was that bad).

Most up coming MMOs at least is arming themselves with massive content and balance procedures as well as functionality, while FF14 is squeezing with brink of death things.

It's going to be tough to face off against future MMOs that are likely more stocked with everything nice, then FF14 who is running on empty borrowed time.

The only hope is that FF14 has more behind the scene stuff that can be unloaded in the near future, because in a game of big guns, FF14 just doesn't have any.

We'll have to see what is in 1.18, and then we can calculate 1.19 from that. They need to show us that January to june was worth more then just some adjustments.

[Victor]

It's likely we will be waiting until the very end of summer for patch 1.19. As in the final week of September.

[Shipp]

Actually, you do. Constantly. Also, I'm listing things that community does know.

Actually, I don't. Ever. Show me where I quoted out of context, I assure you, it was not done on purpose if it even happened at all.

New direction of development started in Jan: Fact
MMOs generally have their content lined up as much as 1 year in advance: Fact

Fact: This doesn't matter to the general population.
Fact: This doesn't matter to the majority of MMO players.

I know we all want this game to succeed, but take off the fanboy glasses for just a second and look at this from a regular MMO player's PoV. Take any MMO you have been interested in and then quit because you didn't like it. Did you keep up with the dev cycle after you found out you didn't like it? Probably not, because it was a passing interest. We are all FF fans here, obviously we view FF differently. Think of those people who tried it and did not like it that were possibly going to becoming FF fans from this title and saw what a mess it was in and gave up. Hell, look at all of the actual FF fans who have given up.

THIS is what I'm talking about. I even stated, you are correct in one thing, and that is that it's not really comparable to other MMO dev teams. However that is what happens once you release a game, no matter how many overhauls have to be redone.

I have not bashed the SE devs at all. Listing potential problems that are easy to slip into != bashing. As the OP has stated, QA could be bottlenecking the patches.

Has Yoshi-P taken a great undertaking here? Yes. However people really need to stop with claiming the whole team got switched. It did not. For the most part, the devs now are the same ones that programmed what we got on launch, they're just under a new director, so the argument that they might not be familiar with another person's code doesn't hold much weight.

There have been legitimate delays, such as the natural disaster, but they were back working in about a week or two. I am not saying that they should have been, I'm just repeating what we were told at the time.

Applying what people generally know to the argument that SE's pace of development is slow is unfair given the circumstances. While you on the other hand take this point and snip out parts of my posts and others posts and throw the debate off track.

You can claim it's unfair until your tongue falls out, and you'd be half-right. SE dug themselves the hole, only they are to blame for the state of the game. Yes, Yoshi-P is trying to fix it, but for probably the majority of MMO players, this game was a flop and they moved on to other things. If this game doesn't shape up substantially by SWTOR, Tera, GW2, this game might as well just be shelved. That's not being cynical, that's being realistic.

I don't know any more information than you do, yet you still seem to think you have a superior argument. When I'm basing my judgement on actual facts and not guessing loosely and basing my knowledge off programming I perform for small time flash games. :P

No, I don't seem to think I have a superior argument. I think I see a lot of people on here who are making excuses for SE, and that is what led us to this place in the beginning. "Oh it's just Beta, last week of Beta will introduce all the content." "Oh it's still just the Beta, it'll introduce all of the content when it's launched." "Oh, it's still just launch week, they'll introduce all of the content when the standard edition comes." "Oh, they're probably working hard, they'll introduce new content in the first patch."

Repeat that over and over and over. Yes, if you want to claim I argue on Eorzeapedia until I'm blue in the face, it's from THAT time period that I constantly argued with people. Justifying fatigue as a way to help casuals keep up with hardcores when it's actually just the opposite, and was explained several times to people that still didn't get it, and still don't, is irritating. Just like certain people on this site who can't see the complete irony in telling someone that they're wrong, and then claiming, "No one but the devs know!"

I check Eorzeapedia about 3 times a week now. There's rarely even any posts on the site to argue with. Or maybe you were one of the people who flocked to the site during the beta key giveaway when I expressed my opinion on giving keys to people who strictly signed up for keys vs members who had actually participated on the site for much longer, thus were 100% going to stay around after it was over. Don't know, don't care, to be frank. This game isn't going to survive on the fantasy of its minute playerbase's warped sense of how the world works. If that means voicing my concerns and opinion and it clashes with yours, then so be it. I don't log on forums to make friends. I log on forums to find out what is changing and putting my input in, just like everyone else around here.

[Starlord]

Actually, I don't. Ever. Show me where I quoted out of context, I assure you, it was not done on purpose if it even happened at all.


Fact: This doesn't matter to the general population.
Fact: This doesn't matter to the majority of MMO players.

I know we all want this game to succeed, but take off the fanboy glasses for just a second and look at this from a regular MMO player's PoV. Take any MMO you have been interested in and then quit because you didn't like it. Did you keep up with the dev cycle after you found out you didn't like it? Probably not, because it was a passing interest. We are all FF fans here, obviously we view FF differently. Think of those people who tried it and did not like it that were possibly going to becoming FF fans from this title and saw what a mess it was in and gave up. Hell, look at all of the actual FF fans who have given up.

THIS is what I'm talking about. I even stated, you are correct in one thing, and that is that it's not really comparable to other MMO dev teams. However that is what happens once you release a game, no matter how many overhauls have to be redone.

I have not bashed the SE devs at all. Listing potential problems that are easy to slip into != bashing. As the OP has stated, QA could be bottlenecking the patches.

Has Yoshi-P taken a great undertaking here? Yes. However people really need to stop with claiming the whole team got switched. It did not. For the most part, the devs now are the same ones that programmed what we got on launch, they're just under a new director, so the argument that they might not be familiar with another person's code doesn't hold much weight.

There have been legitimate delays, such as the natural disaster, but they were back working in about a week or two. I am not saying that they should have been, I'm just repeating what we were told at the time.


You can claim it's unfair until your tongue falls out, and you'd be half-right. SE dug themselves the hole, only they are to blame for the state of the game. Yes, Yoshi-P is trying to fix it, but for probably the majority of MMO players, this game was a flop and they moved on to other things. If this game doesn't shape up substantially by SWTOR, Tera, GW2, this game might as well just be shelved. That's not being cynical, that's being realistic.



No, I don't seem to think I have a superior argument. I think I see a lot of people on here who are making excuses for SE, and that is what led us to this place in the beginning. "Oh it's just Beta, last week of Beta will introduce all the content." "Oh it's still just the Beta, it'll introduce all of the content when it's launched." "Oh, it's still just launch week, they'll introduce all of the content when the standard edition comes." "Oh, they're probably working hard, they'll introduce new content in the first patch."

Repeat that over and over and over. Yes, if you want to claim I argue on Eorzeapedia until I'm blue in the face, it's from THAT time period that I constantly argued with people. Justifying fatigue as a way to help casuals keep up with hardcores when it's actually just the opposite, and was explained several times to people that still didn't get it, and still don't, is irritating. Just like certain people on this site who can't see the complete irony in telling someone that they're wrong, and then claiming, "No one but the devs know!"

I check Eorzeapedia about 3 times a week now. There's rarely even any posts on the site to argue with. Or maybe you were one of the people who flocked to the site during the beta key giveaway when I expressed my opinion on giving keys to people who strictly signed up for keys vs members who had actually participated on the site for much longer, thus were 100% going to stay around after it was over. Don't know, don't care, to be frank. This game isn't going to survive on the fantasy of its minute playerbase's warped sense of how the world works. If that means voicing my concerns and opinion and it clashes with yours, then so be it. I don't log on forums to make friends. I log on forums to find out what is changing and putting my input in, just like everyone else around here.

Wow.. How does he have the Patience to type all that.... /wave