SE's most difinitive statement yet on parsers

[raelgun]

Would you like to have every player basically holding a gun to your head and if you don't preform perfectly they may the the one group that goes out of their way to make you life a living hell in game?

If the group finds a person a problem in the group on said encounter, they have the right to discuss the issue and if they find removing such person, its their right, you cant say they arent allowed to have a say in the matter, what you are asking for is making them do things against their will and forced, which is bad.
Also who goes out of their way to make someones life a living hell from a boss fight ? This is just your issues that hasnt happened in my years of mmo gaming, think I can say rightly many others havent seen this either, maybe its the fault of the person that caused people to have a go at them, theres always 2 sides to everything.

The Terms of Service, which we all signed when we started playing the game firmly state the use of 3rd Party Tools is against the rules and is a bannable offense. Once they change this for add ons, the Terms will change and I will most likely have to re-consider things and see how it goes at that time. But for now it's not permitted regardless of your stance or mine.

The TOS has nothing to do with how I find your attitude, its players with this attitude youve displayed that basically want to take the freedom of choice away from players and as long as it cant affect you personally, nothing else matters, you dont seem to consider the other person in the matter, the good players, maybe they dont want to boost others.

[Nel_Celestine]

If the group finds a person a problem in the group on said encounter, they have the right to discuss the issue and if they find removing such person, its their right, you cant say they arent allowed to have a say in the matter, what you are asking for is making them do things against their will and forced, which is bad.
Also who goes out of their way to make someones life a living hell from a boss fight ? This is just your issues that hasnt happened in my years of mmo gaming, think I can say rightly many others havent seen this either, maybe its the fault of the person that caused people to have a go at them, theres always 2 sides to everything.

It has happened to me personally on FFXI. It's the sole reason I hate 3rd party tools with a passion.

The TOS has nothing to do with how I find your attitude, its players with this attitude youve displayed that basically want to take the freedom of choice away from players and as long as it cant affect you personally, nothing else matters, you dont seem to consider the other person in the matter, the good players, maybe they dont want to boost others.

How is it a freedom of choice when the playerbase is wanting a tool they can use to push players out of content unless they are high-end raider level of play?



Not everyone is BlueGartr tier of play, using them as the measuring stick is what the community tends to do. When people parse others they judge not based on the encounter as a group, but based on what the 'expected DPS should be'. That 'expected' is set by the raiding community, with BG at the top. Now, how is anyone going to improve if people are going to use parsers to keep them OUT of content rather than using them to help improve them FOR it?

[raelgun]

It has happened to me personally on FFXI. It's the sole reason I hate 3rd party tools with a passion.


How is it a freedom of choice when the playerbase is wanting a tool they can use to push players out of content unless they are high-end raider level of play?

Whats happened to you personally is like I said, 2 way street, youre only mentioning what happened to you, not what you did.


Players have a choice who they want to play with, these can range to whatever, yes this is freedom, what you are suggesting is, they have no choice on the matter, people need realistic expectations in how they approach things, its not the requirement of good players to take those struggling through content, not at all, you havent even considered the thoughts and feelings of those who play well have you. You cant restrict them with no say on the matter otherwise they get a banning, how messed up is that. Boost me or youre getting a ban, this is why players with your attitude are the bane of mmos.

Not everyone is BlueGartr tier of play, using them as the measuring stick is what the community tends to do. When people parse others they judge not based on the encounter as a group, but based on what the 'expected DPS should be'. That 'expected' is set by the raiding community, with BG at the top. Now, how is anyone going to improve if people are going to use parsers to keep them OUT of content rather than using them to help improve them FOR it?

The bar is set by what the group can actually do, and also, its the players choice IF they want to help, not expected to, this is the problem, they need the choice, not be their job.
People should find ways themselves to improve if needs be, theres no reason to why they cant.

[Nel_Celestine]

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So you'd rather a game where people don't help anyone except the raider elite and everyone else gets frustrated, quits and the game dies out due to limited consumers? Sorry if I disagree with you and think HELPING people rather then kicking them is the better option.

[Sapphic]

So you'd rather a game where people don't help anyone except the raider elite and everyone else gets frustrated, quits and the game dies out due to limited consumers? Sorry if I disagree with you and think HELPING people rather then kicking them is the better option.

What about those who turn abusive or just totally ignore any friendly advice given? What about those who cause wipes by failing on the same thing every single time refusing to take advice and just blame others, even when it is obvious that it was their fault. Two sides to every thing. Of course there are people open for advice, then theirs the others.

[Dwill]

Sounds to me some ppl have to much time on there hands :P dose it matter who is doing the most?

Parsers in this game is rarely about who does the most and more about how the group as a whole is doing and how we can improve each individual.

So you'd rather a game where people don't help anyone except the raider elite and everyone else gets frustrated, quits and the game dies out due to limited consumers? Sorry if I disagree with you and think HELPING people rather then kicking them is the better option.

It's fine to help people that are new and/or want to improve. But when people just don't seem to learn or refuse the help, then it's not anybody's prerogative to carry bad players through content nor to teach them how to play their jobs correctly. They've had 50 levels to learn how to use their abilities and to get out of AoE and if a little push doesn't help them, it still doesn't give them the right to waste other people's time.

[Deviant1]

Now, how is anyone going to improve if people are going to use parsers to keep them OUT of content rather than using them to help improve them FOR it?

Well there are the level 50 training dummies in Whitebrim, west of camp Dragonhead.
Practice your rotation until the mob dies the fastest. Basically you keep practicing it until it becomes muscle memory.

You can tell when you fully memorized the rotation based on how quickly the dummy dies, no parser needed (although I am sure it would help). This helps you not only on pressing the buttons in the right order, but responding to any job procs (straighter shot for brds or thundercloud for blms, etc.)

It will show your DOT damage as well as direct damage if you set the ui to show damage on screen, so you can eyeball the numbers to get an idea for gear sets and etc..



Now I understand that some players want to be casual about their gameplay and not put in the effort required to practice like this, which brings me to one question for you:

Why should anyone want you in the party if you cannot make any effort to bring the damage?