Fieldcraft Demimateria III; Does anyone feel a bit shafted?

[Adler]

So try again, the OP isn't saying 'make it easier' they are saying 'make it more relevant to my class'

Battleclasses should grow via battles
Crafters should grow via crafting
And gatherers should grow via gathering.

Make the content challenging yes, but keep it within the scope of what each class was designed to do.


Oh and the 'they bought mats from you so to level so you should be forced to buy from them' is hogwash....unless you think a DOL who can't make their own gear is running around naked w/o melds. DOL is one of the few roles that relies heavily on crafted items for their performance...more so than battleclasses tbh (dungeons drop battle gear).

Every crafter need items from other crafters and DoL - you can't level up single crafting job efficiently and cost effective. Every DoL need items from crafters but they don't need to, for example, to buy shards to craft something - instead they sell those things. Even battle jobs can't be used well unless you use cross skills from other classes.
Also DoL don't need to go through all the "master recipe book thing". I have leveled up all DoL and DoH - it took much less effort all the way to level DoL and the fact there are some items that you can't get by gathering is still no big deal compared to what is needed to get best stuff for crafter.

[StouterTaru]

A little recap for you:

1. The OP, the topic is not about 'fastest' way to 100 in desynth, it's not even supposed to be about crafting.

I was responding to a post a few down from the OP:

mastercraft are worthless due to the ratio of them put out vs field3 and their respective usages...

You'll see more field 3 when more people are approaching 100 desynth

<Nuh-uh, I can't make them from scratch and they are super expensives on the MB>

2. You keep assuming your servers prices=all server prices. That's simply not true.

Carbuncle Chronometer, Carbuncle Round Table, Carbuncle Armchair, Carbuncle Desk, and Summoning Bell are all in the 30-50k range mark on my server, just like 10 tomato relish.

Server prices don't vary that much, myth tomes are now cheap due to the boost with 2.3 and especially due to the hunts. Are you saying that there are servers where 210 shards costs far less than one 500 myth tome item?

You're wrong that everyone who can craft 3-star synths can necessarily make their own mats for every said synth.
You're wrong that leveling the crafts needed/desynth needed is a better use of most 'dedicated DOL's time or energy
You're wrong that it's good development on SE's part that DOL rely so heavily on DOH to get their tool key items.

Most of the crafters that are going to be hitting 100 desynth aren't jacks of one trade, they can make everything. Most of the people cranking out the mastercraft/fieldcraft III are at artisan level in most/all of their crafts, and they are going to be cranking out more fieldcraft III when they are approaching 100 desynth.

The other two things I never said, but:

Spend your time and energy doing what you want, it's a game. Just don't whine that you don't want to do the content required to get an item.

It's a social game, there need to be more interactions between DoL and DoH. This is a good first step, now they just need to toss in high level recipes that use up high level gathered items at a decent rate. I could spend 3 minutes every 70 gathering up 15 of a 2-star item, and in that 70 minutes get enough myth tomes to use up 1/15.

[Divine_Intervention]

Am I one of the only people enjoying this process?

I have 4 of my crafts leveled to 50, none of them 3 star yet. I have botany at 408 gathering/38something perception, and i have a miner who can do the one star nodes.

I've started my goldsmith desynth path yesterday, at ~70 skill on that. My next goal will be to level the culinarian for the easy artisans tools. Sure, i spent a but ton buying sharsd (which, yeah.. i could farm, but i just couldn't be bothered farming that many lol).

Ultimately, this content gives me MORE incentive to go work on my crafts more, which i LOVE, but up-till-now have found difficult to get even reliably hqing 2 star items. I'm loving this personally. The nice shiny new tools at the end of it all is just that, nice and shiny, but by no means why i'm doing it.

[balanced123]

Everyone assumes they are going to be able to a) fish up an i70+ fish b) desynth said fish c) sell for 5,000,000
Right now Fieldcraft III is 400,000g. Guess what? We have ~4-5 people shouting trying to sell 1 swimsuit.
The same people for the past ~3 days.
Sit tight kids, cause it looks like the gil buyers are the only ones getting supras... atleast on my server.

[Alistaire]

....so. Yes, it IS plausible to have not leveled goldsmith, and STILL be able to craft 3 star items on other crafting classes. This is even more plausible when you factor in it is totally plausible to reliably craft 3-star furniture on Other classes without needing any cross-skills from goldsmithing to do it.

Plausible doesn't make it smart.

[Kalandros]

Made 20 Carbuncle Chronometers

Got a single Fieldcraft Demi III out of those (desynth went up from 91.91 to 96.67) - broke maybe 3 or 4 and the rest were all mats and that single demi....
Made 2 more with what I recovered and got a double fieldcraft demi III from one of them.

So all that time and effort and gil, sure i skilled up almost 5 points, but I didnt get what I wanted out of it.
Going to try summoning bells next (BSM Desynth at 1.00 for now though).

Sigh.

Still making those spicy tomato relish forever since I -had- 20k shards of each.
I do everything, so I don't mind needing fieldcrafts for gathering but it is indeed redundant, they should've required Clear ones or somethings instead...

[KingZeus]

i just bought all 10 for 300K each got my rod though

[Kimura410]

Made 20 Carbuncle Chronometers

Got a single Fieldcraft Demi III out of those (desynth went up from 91.91 to 96.67) - broke maybe 3 or 4 and the rest were all mats and that single demi....
Made 2 more with what I recovered and got a double fieldcraft demi III from one of them.

So all that time and effort and gil, sure i skilled up almost 5 points, but I didnt get what I wanted out of it.
Going to try summoning bells next (BSM Desynth at 1.00 for now though).

Sigh.

Still making those spicy tomato relish forever since I -had- 20k shards of each.
I do everything, so I don't mind needing fieldcrafts for gathering but it is indeed redundant, they should've required Clear ones or somethings instead...

summoning bell won't be any different. likely the same drop rate. and when you get your gsm to 100, you botch a lot less. and when you get a 2 stack, yur average becomes much better.

either you spend 30k on a 3star furniture, or you make relish for 5k each, but you need 10, so 50k for one spectacle. now, its 100% to desynth the specs, while the chronometer is 70%, but you spend a lot less time and half the gil almost to do the furniture. specs are good though if you need master craft. i do a mix of both.

just get your gsm to 100 you will get a lot more F3's, because you will botch less. I've done like 30 chronometers so far since hitting 100. i botched like 4 and got 6 f3's total. so 1 in 5 chance of a F3, not bad according to my standards.

[Thegide]

Yeah no, not even close on my server...I'll even look up exact current prices for you right now:

Carbuncle Chronometer, 4 for sale: Cheapest 136,999>197,000
Carbuncle Armchair, 8 4 sale: Cheapest 178,000>200,000
Carbuncle Round Table, 6 for sale: Cheapest 198,000>272,999 with an outlier of 999,999
Carbuncle Desk, 6 for sale: Cheapest 286,000>400,000
Summoning Bell, 3 for sale: Cheapest 108,941>199,000
Carbuncle Chair (since it is the cheaper mat cost one), 4 for sale 120,000>212,000

The crafted rubies: start at 59,000 on our server
The emery if you can craft the ruby yourself:20K and up

You actually have to craft these items yourself to keep costs reasonable. I thought that was a given. Chronometers cost me 15-20k because all I'm buying is emery. The bottleneck is the mass quantity of rosegold nuggets required, however if you bought these as well you'd be looking around 30k cost per.