CRIT vs DET (on War)

[Nathan061111]

I personally stack Crit first. Warriors hit less often with their slow axes so you have to make the most of each swing and it also gives you a nice boost when combined with Wrath stacks. I see Paladins benefiting from DET more since it makes for heavy damage in Sword Oath.

You have no idea how Mathematics works.

[ElricHellshadow]

You have no idea how Mathematics works.

that's not very nice or productive. I put up massive numbers by stacking crit on content you have probably never seen.

[Giantbane]

that's not very nice or productive. I put up massive numbers by stacking crit on content you have probably never seen.

I'm pretty sure the det bonus is normalized for swing speed so it applies more damage to the slower swings than it does for the PLDs faster swings. So swing speed should have nothing to do with it. Same with crit. You'll hit harder when you do crit with a slower, bigger hit, but with a faster swing speed you have more opportunity to crit, so you'll get more crits and it all balances out.

And the bonus from wrath stacks does not have any effect on any additional dps provided by stacking crit. On the other hand, the wrath bonus DOES effect how much you get out of DET because extra det means those crits are stronger.

Anyhow, a better analysis is probably along the lines of det being an additive boost, while crit is a multiplicative boost. So when your base damage is low, crit provides less because the amount it is multiplying is low, while det's static boost provides more damage. And as your base gets higher, the boost from crit also gets higher, while the det bonus stays roughly the same (although it does get strong with the more crit you stack). So it would make sense that there's a break point where, after your weapon damage, DET, & STR are high enough, crit becomes the more desirable stat.

But again, that has nothing to do with swing speed.

[SeraviEdalborez]

And the bonus from wrath stacks does not have any effect on any additional dps provided by stacking crit. On the other hand, the wrath bonus DOES effect how much you get out of DET because extra det means those crits are stronger.

I'm assuming we're talking about damage when actively tanking since having Defiance up while not getting hit is silly. Crit from wrath stacks is pretty negligible because holding onto 5 stacks is going to be a rare occurrence.

[Giantbane]

I'm assuming we're talking about damage when actively tanking since having Defiance up while not getting hit is silly. Crit from wrath stacks is pretty negligible because holding onto 5 stacks is going to be a rare occurrence.

He was talking about crit being valuable because wrath already gives us 0-10% crit. I was pointing out that the wrath stack crits do not make wearing CRIT gear any more or less valuable. And since the context of the discussion was CRIT vs. DET, I stated the effect it has on DET, regardless of how minor it may be.

But we're also continually building wrath, so wrath is probably adding 4-5% crit on average, depending on how long you hold your Wrath V stacks (when saving it for a specific move).