Quote Originally Posted by Nero View Post
We paid to get the game. We dont pay to play it.
I don't pay to play my single-player games either. If there are major problems with the game, I have every right to complain.

Shipp: Semantics. Is beta over when they sell the first box? Or if the actual state of the game is similar to almost every other MMOs' official open betas, is it really wrong to call it that?
Beta is over when the company says, "Beta has ended" and starts charging for boxes instead of just opening up a free digital download. SE had every intention of trying to charge for FFXIV. It wasn't until all of the negative reviews came that they gave an extra month. Then another. Then extended indefinitely until they get it fixed.

They were going to charge monthly for launch. That is when you know Beta ended. The fact that it's still in a stage that most other MMOs would call a Beta doesn't matter. Frankly, Cata's Beta was much better than this game we have right now. When SE gives me the money back for the box, manual, and disc, then I'll gladly call it a beta. Until then, no, it's not.