Stone Vigil HM: Why is Isgebind back? Didn't we kill her?

[Sapphic]

Seeing as after Stone Vigil HM they state that it has been reclaimed, t'would be kind of interesting if they made an open world version of SV and you could see it being repaired and turned back to its "former glory over subsequent updates, just like Revs Toll expanding.

But SV HM has expanded out knowledge somewhat of the Dragons. That they are set up pretty much as a military force with specialized roles, followers gain, somehow, even the ability to turn into a dragon. But still a lot of unanswered questions.

Why is there war between the Ishagardians and the Dragons? Was it started over territory or have the Ascians been at the forefront, sowing dissension and actually initiating the war. A simple question, what came first? The Ishgardians or the Dragons ^^

Or to put another way, who really are the "bad guys"?

[Anonymoose]

Why is there war between the Ishagardians and the Dragons?

I really hope this is explored someday, and I imagine it will be.

Part of me wonder if the Dravanians have been waging a war on man ever since the Allag enslaved some of dragonkind.

[Tule]

It's a girl?

[Wadoka]

Waiting now for Dunkelzahn to show up, aye...

[Rocl]

followers gain, somehow, even the ability to turn into a dragon.

I never liked this idea. I mean, it's a fine leap to make given the context, but another famous Ishgardian heretic who used Dragon's Blood and turned into an aevis was our foe the faux Guillaime. This is important because our journal specifically states (as does Guillaime himself during the fight I believe) that this simply a glamour-- a bit of magick made him to look and act like a dragon, but still a man nonetheless.

While we're on the subject of Dravinians and Allagans though, I have to wonder if the Dravinian's odd form of creating thralls and general social structure (seeming more like a hive honestly) has anything to do with years of neurolink enslavement.

[Lollie]

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Actually the echo is a representation of the player ability to access knowledge of the past to aide then in the present. Currently the explanation has not been given story wise how exactly it works, be it alternate dimension/timelines or what have you. The is a perceived sense of being in real time as a new player going through older content, however the world around them in the current incarnation clearly shows advancement beyond where the story says it should be. I would go further and say all content even current is to be viewed as happening in the past and accessed through echo and over scaling time (patches) the attunement of that connection to past/alternate instances is increased.

[Alenore]

Actually the echo is a representation of the player ability to access knowledge of the past to aide then in the present. Currently the explanation has not been given story wise how exactly it works, be it alternate dimension/timelines or what have you. The is a perceived sense of being in real time as a new player going through older content, however the world around them in the current incarnation clearly shows advancement beyond where the story says it should be. I would go further and say all content even current is to be viewed as happening in the past and accessed through echo and over scaling time (patches) the attunement of that connection to past/alternate instances is increased.

There's absolutely no proof that what you say is right. And Moose's explanation is probably much better than "everything is in the past!", since we're gaining strength from Hydaelyn's Blessing (the Echo being the main thing we received from this blessing).


As for the time, let me quote Fernehalwes :

Before I move onto question two, allow me to veer off onto a little tangent: there have been several threads about Hydaelyn’s timeline not matching up with Earth’s. If it has been two years since the release of the game, why is it still 1572 in Eorzea at the time of patch 1.23? This is a dilemma faced by a lot of MMOs. To allow everyone that joins the game, regardless of when they do, to experience the full story, there simply has to be a stoppage of time. Okay, not really a stoppage, but more of a time bubble in which a span of about a year is contained. This is why that for the duration of 1.0, Eorzea was in a perpetual 1572. Think of it as the same thing that’s happening in the Simpsons. 23 seasons gone and Lisa’s still 8, Maggie’s still a baby, and the gummy Venus still tastes oh, so sacrelicious. Pushing time along would also mean changing 1000s of lines of NPC dialogue, updating quests, webpages, etc. with every patch. Meaning it would take more than double the time to release updates, and I’m sure most people wouldn’t want to wait. In a book, movie, offline game, a strict timeline can be set without too many complications. In an online title, there are just too many variables, so we ask that you bear with our bending of space-time. It’s for the greater good!

When you run any content, your character is at the same point in time than the content. If you re-run Praetorium, your character is at this point of the story. The Primals may be the only special case, since they keep getting summoned, again and again. When you're in this Praetorium duty, it's like you've never faced Ultima before, and you sure as hell don't know that Bahamut is under Eorzea.
Same for coil : you never re-run it (in the past), it's like you're there for the first time.

The fact that you use gear from another dungeon is just a gameplay limitation to being in a real world. There's no real explanation that you can find or make, it's just how it is.

[Lollie]

Ironically within the entirety of the post you partially quoted has my reference, attached here. http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...572#post898626

The portion you reference is more of a guide stating that as it pertains to the current state of the story time is frozen, I agree. What this means is what is currently happening in the game is what the player is supposed to believe is currently happening in the game. the timeframe that is referred to as current in the post you have there funny enough is set 5 years in the past.

(Paraphrased see item 3 for a very specific definition of what it does from a story standpoint) The power of the echo allows a user to experience the past interact with it but ultimately they can not change the course of history. So the notion that anytime you have the echo applied you are experiencing your past or someone else's. Now if the buffs were called 'Hydaelyn's Blessing' sure, but they are in fact called 'The Echo'. Therefore anytime you have the Echo buff by definition you must be experiencing your past or someone else's. (or we have a localization issue that needs addressed)

[Alenore]

It's 5 years earlier since this post dates from 1.0, which took place 5 years earlier. The same can be said of the current state of the game.

Now, for your item 3...
You assume there's a "past" of "someone else" who already experienced that. There's nothing leading us to believe we're using someone's memories or experiences.

The Echo also allows you to understand language. Should we consider it makes us understand the whispers of a pink invisible unicorn telling us the weakness of the target?

Past/Memory visiting is one part of the Echo. Others are understanding every languages, changing bodies (as seen with the Sahagin High Priest), shielding us from Tempering or Ultima, and helping us defeating Ultima Weapon.
My point is, it also apparently lends your strength and improve our battle efficiency (praetorium in 2.0, primals, Coil, ...).

There's no need to try to find explanation by experiencing memories from the past or anything else, when it may as well simply be another form of the blessing we received.

[Lollie]

I concede to your superior knowledge, as it is beyond my comprehension. Obviously I need to talk to more pink invisible unicorns. Time tells truth, history is in the eyes of the beholder.