Seriously SE ? (dual rider chocobo)

[Mizar]

What I don't understand is why SE doesn't limit mounts/minions to solely in game activities. First it was the fanfest exclusive, now its RAF. Its obvious from the feedback that there are players out there who are collectors and it feels kind of unfair to make them go to such great lengths to get it. IMO they should just integrate them into the game. For example. if you run a dungeon 200 times with the same person, you will get the mount? This also helps to build friendship and community. It' a subscription game after all.

Because they are mounts and minions and therefore do not affect gameplay, then they are free to have events/giveaways/programs where you can "earn" them. It's perfectly logical and in no way is anybody entitled to any of this simply for paying your monthly subscription.

[TeaTimeBear]

Because they are mounts and minions and therefore do not affect gameplay, then they are free to have events/giveaways/programs where you can "earn" them. It's perfectly logical and in no way is anybody entitled to any of this simply for paying your monthly subscription.

Beep boop does not affect gameplay...

Beep boop logical

Beep boop fantasy world where only "muh gear" matters

Beep boop buzzwords

Beep boop MMO... RPG

Beep boop apologist -whistle-

[skaterger]

Because they are mounts and minions and therefore do not affect gameplay, then they are free to have events/giveaways/programs where you can "earn" them. It's perfectly logical and in no way is anybody entitled to any of this simply for paying your monthly subscription.

I'm not even a mount collector myself but believe it or not, there are some people who do play the game just for that. And it's not entirely "entitled" when you still have to run dungeons X number of times like the Pld/War mount.

[Yshnal]

Because they are mounts and minions and therefore do not affect gameplay, then they are free to have events/giveaways/programs where you can "earn" them. It's perfectly logical and in no way is anybody entitled to any of this simply for paying your monthly subscription.

Besides the fact that some of us came here partly because we were tired of that crap in other MMOs. I was really happy that I could get all the minions and stuff without having to pay $10 for each one.

You know, there's people that don't like to raid and that, instead, play the game mainly to collect things and just be social. And, for these people, vanity is as important as gear is for a raider, thus these things affect their normal gameplay. Just because someone doesn't care about something it doesn't mean that someone else shouldn't. And that's why everything should be attainable in-game and with our sub.

If in ARR vanity is not as important to gameplay as everything else, then lets stop putting any minions, housing features, marriage, etc. in updates. This is not going to happen, so I don't really see why they can put just part of it. While we're at it, they could also give i110 gear to people going to the fanfest, and as a reward for the RAF program when your friend subscribes for 180 days, right?

[Shougun]

Because they are mounts and minions and therefore do not affect gameplay, then they are free to have events/giveaways/programs where you can "earn" them. It's perfectly logical and in no way is anybody entitled to any of this simply for paying your monthly subscription.

I actually quit WoW over this, I pay the monthly for all the content with a forgiven sentiment to expansions due to their abnormal content additions- entitled maybe not but definitely they are empowered to say no. Now only if the general consumer (of any nation) could actually say no, "I hate it" *still buys it and all related contents*. I /loathe/ the idea of cash shops.

Wont quit over one thing, specially since beyond collection sake I guess it doesn't really bother me not ride it, I'd rather ride my cat or fat chocobo.. lol. "Obtains new mount, still rides first mount ever received".

[Dark-Saviour]

I actually quit WoW over this, I pay the monthly for all the content with a forgiven sentiment to expansions due to their abnormal content additions- entitled maybe not but definitely they are empowered to say no. Now only if the general consumer (of any nation) could actually say no, "I hate it" *still buys it and all related contents*. I /loathe/ the idea of cash shops.

Pretty much this.
I've avoided ever giving Blizzard any money in large part due to this.

The lack of a cash shop was one of the 3 main points this game had over other MMOs to me. The more it steers away from that, the less it has going for it. :-\

[Felis]

Pretty much this.
I've avoided ever giving Blizzard any money in large part due to this.

The lack of a cash shop was one of the 3 main points this game had over other MMOs to me. The more it steers away from that, the less it has going for it. :-\

1.0 launch:
Asuran Armguard - for everyone who bought FF XIII
Onion Helm - for everyone who bought FF XIV CE
Garlond Google - for everyone who bought FF XIV Standard
Hermes Shoes - for everyone who had an active FF XI account

To get all you needed FF XIII, 2* FF XIV and FF XI. You see, bonus items are really nothing news in FF XIV since 2010.
So please, stop to be shocked that there are bonus items (not cash shop items) obtainable outside of the game

[Dark-Saviour]

1.0 launch:
Asuran Armguard - for everyone who bought FF XIII
Onion Helm - for everyone who bought FF XIV CE
Garlond Google - for everyone who bought FF XIV Standard
Hermes Shoes - for everyone who had an active FF XI account

To get all you needed FF XIII, 2* FF XIV and FF XI. You see, bonus items are really nothing news in FF XIV since 2010.
So please, stop to be shocked that there are bonus items (not cash shop items) obtainable outside of the game

Yes. And the moogle earrings, and the pre-order bonuses, and the ARR Collector's items, etc. Plus whatever other promo items they had that I don't recall off-hand.
I'm well aware. And I'd hoped they'd eventually dump that stuff onto retainer ventures or something and move towards a more positive system of pure in-game acquisition.

Continuing a terrible trend doesn't make it less terrible. It rather removes the hope of things actually becoming more pleasant.

And these items may as well be cash shop items, honestly. :-\

[Felis]

And these items may as well be cash shop items, honestly. :-\

But you don't buy those items. You get them just as a bonus from something else.

You forgot Legacy Chocobo (90 paid days during 1.0), Dalamud minion (1.0 soundtrack) and Bahamut minion (ARR soundtrack).
And if the day come that someone would get a legacy chocobo from retainer, the forum would crash.

[Shougun]

But you don't buy those items. You get them just as a bonus from something else.

You forgot Legacy Chocobo (90 paid days during 1.0), Dalamud minion (1.0 soundtrack) and Bahamut minion (ARR soundtrack).
And if the day come that someone would get a legacy chocobo from retainer, the forum would crash.

I don't believe, and myself as well, that their point was there are no existing pay to obtain items. Just that the more that exist the more it will push players with this like mind away, as they dislike cash shops (or pay to obtain beyond monthly and expansions).

Shocked is inaccurate, more like leery or disappointed.