When is an i100 item better than an i110? - I.E. ST Hands

[Riyos]

When is an i100 item better than an i110?

Never.

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[Rbstr]

Why would a tank want a chest with skill speed and determination when the Noct Lorica has Accuracy & Parry (plain better) and more VIT/STR/DEF/MDEF?

The theory is Det/SS overcomes the lower strength so you do a bit more damage. If you're already at acc cap you want more other secondaries and if you're at a fairly high average ilvl there's not much need for the vit/armor. Parry just isn't worth worrying over.

I sort of agree, but i wouldn't waste a ST pick on it when I could oil a DPS accessory or something.

[Skull_Angel]

Why would a tank want a chest with skill speed and determination when the Noct Lorica has Accuracy & Parry (plain better) and more VIT/STR/DEF/MDEF?

I'm guessing the stat weights favor Phlegethon's ever so slightly for damage output if acc can be capped w/o Noct Lorica; iirc, 5 Det was about equal to 1 STR. I would hardly call any secondary [outside of acc while under cap] "plain better" as well.

edit; I didn't even see the extra page, it looks like Rbstr beat me to it.

[Remn]

to me Skill speed is a no no on PLD ><, as it is right now, I'm using DET crit set and I'm can run out of TP with in 4 min if I don't careful T_T. SS will only made it worst.

[MythToken]

As a tank if 1 Defense > 100 crit, 100 SS, 100 det (this is a slight exaggeration, but not really) So absolutely not would Phlegethon > 110 NO MATTER WHAT


and further more to the OP


secondaries simply do not matter, they shouldn't even be considered unless you are talking = ilvl

But even then secondaries literally = nothing

(I am specifically talking about tanking)

[AIex]

Stat Weights:
Stat weight for dealing dmg as physical
STR - 1.000
DET - 0.325
SKLSPD - 0.178

Comparison:
i110 noct has 39 STR, 0 DET, 0 SKLSPD - 39 + 0 + 0 = 39 dps rating
ST body has 34 STR, 27 DET, 26 SKLSPD - 34 + (27*.325) + (26*.178) = 47.403 dps rating

Conclusion:
The ST body CAN be better IF you can meet the ACC cap for whatever content you're doing and if you don't need the excess VIT (ie T6/7 doesn't hit very hard so...). I wouldn't worry about parry since its a RNG based skill that only applies to 1/2 the attacks you receive at end game (gg magic attacks). If the problem with you clearing a dungeon is that healers are having trouble keeping you alive, this isn't the piece for you to use.

Disclaimer:
People will argue "QQ don't worry about how much damage you do QQ" but it's my personal belief that you shouldn't hit like an 11 year old girl in endgame content. Priority #1 is to build yourself into a survivable tank, but don't over do it because it is possible to have excess HP (imo you don't need more than 9k hp as WAR and 7.2 as PLD with proper buffs and cooldown usage). After that Priority #2 is contribute to dps.

[Tyrial]

Stuff

It's great to do more damage, but we can't hold aggro with no TP. All skill speed is going to do is make you run out faster. If you were arguing for DET/Crit I'd agree, but Skill Speed is a useless stat on a tank period. The only way I'd consider using a piece with skill speed in a tanking build would be if it was necessary to reach ACC cap.

[AIex]

It's great to do more damage, but we can't hold aggro with no TP. All skill speed is going to do is make you run out faster. If you were arguing for DET/Crit I'd agree, but Skill Speed is a useless stat on a tank period. The only way I'd consider using a piece with skill speed in a tanking build would be if it was necessary to reach ACC cap.

Skill speed on WAR isn't useless because of 2 things. 1 - After a certain threshold, you can fit an extra attack during berserk. 2 - Faster generation of Wrath
Skill speed on PLD in my opinion has less of an effect and CAN be bad for TP, but if you can manage a stoneskin every 3-4 RoH rotations, your TP will last. (TP burn as OT for max dmg, RoH rotation + stoneskin as MT for damage mitigation + TP conservation)

[MythToken]

snip(TP burn as OT for max dmg, RoH rotation + stoneskin as MT for damage mitigation + TP conservation)

Way to completely ignore Defense and Vitality... Bravo for cherry picking stat weights.


160 Defense vs 162 Defense is a no brainer for just about everyone except for you.



In fact if any of you really believe that 100 is better than 110, and are want to Lose Vit, Lose STR, Lose Def, Lose Parry, for a little bit of DET and a little bit of Skill speed, then go right ahead. But you will literally be the worst tank ever.

And on top of that, if you were really smart, you would clearly see that you get MORE stats from the 110 as a whole, and could trade out a different piece ie an accessory and end up with a net gain in stats, AND more dps . *shakes head*


Ive got i100's in my BiS said no one ever.

[AIex]

Way to completely ignore Defense and Vitality... Bravo for cherry picking stat weights.


160 Defense vs 162 Defense is a no brainer for just about everyone except for you.

+ other garbage because you didn't read what I posted and decided to be a jerk instead

I literally posted in the post before your quote the priority #1 is to be a survivable tank which is inclusive to VIT and Defense... After a certain threshold though, they start showing less returns. What in the actual hell are you talking about lol? And when did I say i100 was BiS? All I'm saying is that it can be situationally better IE- you're the OT in T9 and just have to pick up golems but still need to dps